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KUCOOLKAN

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I am very interested in your opinion about the union of these two very important houses in Mexico. I also would like to contact the two houses if possible to join and together we will have the first Mexican Emperor of the Two Houses. 

Viva el III Imperio Mexicano
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It would be great indeed if both houses united.

This is indeed something to work towards.


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I have some links for the spanish speaking monarchists to take a look and pride of the future that is to come.

http://www.casaimperial.net (von Gotzen Iturbide House)
http://www.suracapulco.com.mx/anterior/2002/agosto/28/pag2.htm (Moctezuma)

Viva el Tercer Imperio Mexicano!!!!

Viva Maximiliano von Gotzen-Iturbide!!!!!

Vivan Los Descendientes de Moctezuma!!!!
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Its the current Iturbide Pretender a Habsburg?

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Don SALVADOR, adopted by Emperor Maximilian and granted the title of PRINCE de ITURBIDE with the qualification of Highness by Emperor Maximilian 13 Sept 1865, Grand Cross of the Order of Guadalupe, lived in Hungary and Venice and was a friend of Don Carlos (VII), Duke of Madrid, the Carlist pretender to the Spanish throne; b at Mexico City 18 Sept 1849, educated College of Ste Barbe, Paris, m at Mikosd, Hungary 21 June 1871, Baroness GIZELLA MARIA TEREZIA MIKOS de TARRODHÁZA (b at Mikosszéplak 1 Feb 1846; m 2ndly at London 4 Aug 1900, EMIL JENISON, COUNT von WALWORTH (who d at Nice 10 Jan 1910); d at Graz 1 April 1921), daughter of Baron EDUARD JOHANN NEPOMUK MIKOS de TARRODHÁZA, by his wife THERESE MARIA ANTONIA GLUDOVACZ, EDLE de PETÕHÁZ, and d at Ajaccio, Corsica 26 Feb 1895 (bur Cemetery of San Michele, Venice), having had issue:

(1) (Princess) Doña MARIA JOSEPHA SOPHIA de ITURBIDE, b at Mikosd 29 Feb 1872, m 1st at Beszterce 12 March 1908, Baron JOHANN NEPOMUK ADOLF FERDINAND JOSEF TUNKL von ASCHBRUNN und HOHENSTADT (b at Kõszeg, Hungary 12 July 1872; ka Onuth, Bukovina 10 May 1915), Captain 12th Imperial & Royal Lancers, son of Baron EDUARD FERDINAND TUNKL von ASCHBRUNN und HOHENSTADT, Colonel in Chief 11th Imperial & Royal Hussars, by his wife Countess ANNA WILHELMINA KUSTOSCH von ZUBRI und LIPKA. She m 2ndly at Beszterce 14 April 1923, CHARLES de CARRIERE (b at Paris 24 Nov 1875; d at Dévabánya, Roumania .. Nov 1949), son of CHARLES de CARRIERE, and d with him in an internment camp at Dévabánya, Roumania .. Nov 1949), leaving issue by her first marriage,

1a (Baroness) Doña MARIA ANNA WILHELMINA ADOLPHINA SOPHIA de TUNKL-YTURBIDE [name assumed at birth in compliance with the expressed wish of her maternal grandmother and confirmed by Royal Hungarian Ministry of the Interior No BM 140668/1909], b at Temesvár 4 Aug 1909, used the surname of YTURBIDE only and dunm at Tirgu Mures Roumania 1997

2a (Baroness) Doña MARIA GIZELLA JOSEPHA ERNA ISABELLA de TUNKL-YTURBIDE [name assumed at birth in compliance with the expressed wish of her maternal grandmother and confirmed by Royal Hungarian Ministry of the Interior No BM 154612/1912], b at Temesvár 2 Oct 1912, m 1st at Budapest 7 November 1938, IVO MIHAILIC (b at Zagreb ………. 1909; ka ……………1941) son of Ritter (Knight) MILIVOJ MIHAILIC, Colonel 76th Imperial & Royal Infantry regiment by his wife MARGARET JELLACIC. She m 2ndly at Beszterce 8 June 1943, Count MARIA GUSTAV ADOLF EGON von GÖTZEN (b at Grusbach, Moravia 25 Sept 1904; d at Caracas, Venezuela 11 May 1956), son of Count HUBERT FRIEDRICH WILHELM von GÖTZEN, Major 9th Imperial and Royal Hussars and Imperial and Royal Chamberlain, by his wife Countess EMANUELA ANNA MARIA KAROLINE KHUEN von BELASI. She m 3rdly at Montevideo, Uruguay 15 Aug 1959, OTTAVIO STEFANO DELLA PORTA, banker and chartered accountant (b at Venice 14 Oct 1891; d at Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 27 Jan 1981), and d at Sydney, New South Wales, Australia 8 August 1999 having left issue by her second marriage,

1b (Count) Don MAXIMILIANO GUSTAV ALBRECHT RICHARD AGUSTIN de GÖTZEN - ITURBIDE [name borne with official permission of Royal Hungarian Ministry of the Interior No BM 557.114/1944], b at Beszterce 2 March 1944, in at Melbourne, Victoria, Australia 22 Sept 1990, ANNA MARIA HELENA (b at Sydney 18 Nov 1965), daughter of JOHANN KARL von FRANCESCHI, by his 1st wife MARIA KUKULJEVIC-BASSANI de SACCI, and has issue,

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The B&B that I stayed at in Virginia was owned by a family that has really done a lot of traveling.  They did quite a bit of sightseeing in Mexico and when they saw my drawing of a two headed eagle, they couldn't believe it.  Apparently in Mexico, Maximilian left a lasting impression and the Hapsburg symbol can be found on the architecture of the era.  I never knew that, considering it was for such a short period when he ruled in Mexico.

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I am not adverse to the trought of the descendants of Moctezuma on the throne,but a Habsburg on it could be so much better

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It is very important to have the Moctezuma descendants and the Iturbide descendants together.
This will have a real impact on the Mexican people because together would finally be a Monarch that will unite all mexicans. Original native mexicans, european descendants, mestizos, etc.

The Republicans have always taken advantage of the differences of our people to implement the "new order" in our country.

Thank You all for your interest in this subject.

The descendants of the Iturbide family were recognized by the Habsburg but they are indeed Mexican royalty not Habsburg and the Moctezuma family have a lot more to tell in the Aztec Empire.  
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Still here working to make this country a Monarchy, When I joined this forum I didn't knew any mexican monarchist, now we are arround 10 that are in communication and working day by day to get the job done for the return of our destiny.

Best Regards to all!!!!
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Best wishes for your efforts.  How would you go about achieving a union between the Houses of Moctezuma-Miravalle and Von Gotzen-Iturbide?  Are there willing candidates for a possible marriage (as happened with the two branches of the Georgian royal family)?

Although the Iturbide heirs were adopted by Maximillian, and are in their own right decended from Emperor Augustin of Mexico, would this be enough to establish them as heirs to both the Iturbide and Habsburg claims to the Mexican Crown?  I think any claim could only be strengthened by a link to the Aztec royal line of Moctezuma, but what about other pre-Colombian royal houses of what is today Mexico?  Are there any Mayan royal lines that still exist? 

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I think that indeed there's still some descendants of the Mayan royal dinasty Xiu in south Mexico. In fact, one of the descendants was a Repressentative during the 1973 Congress, and whent the Queen from England came to México and visited the Uxmal Mayan Ruins, they both shared a meal altogether with the Yucatan (or Campeche??) Governor during that time. in that meal suppossedly the Queen Elizabeth asked the-then Governor: "Is this Mayan dinasty Xiu serious, valid or official?", what was followed-up by the Governor answering: "Queen, that guy over there -referring to the Xiu descendant-, maybe is asking himself the same about the Windsor dinasty right now". What led to the Queen laughing out loud taking the comment very well.

Hey, are there current talking between the both mexican royal dinasties around (Moctezuma-Miravalle and Iturbide)?

Are you seriously working on joining them?, because I would like to help; I'm not sure if for seriously impossing a monarchy in México, at least they would be iconic figures during the next year celebrations in México (bicentenary of the start of independence and the centenary of the start of the revolution).
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Although a Brazilian and not Mexican, I would like to make a remark about Monarchism in Mexico:

Do NOT commit the mistake of calling a foreign prince to become a monarch. Forget about an Austrian Habsburg prince. That will not work out, even more in a country where most of the population is descendant of Spanish and Amerindians.

It would be much better if you find a descendant of the old Imperial Mexica (from before Columbus) or Maya and educate him properly to his role as a constitucional monarch. And it would be much better if this person was a male line descendant of those Emperors.

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Although a Brazilian and not Mexican, I would like to make a remark about Monarchism in Mexico:

Do NOT commit the mistake of calling a foreign prince to become a monarch. Forget about an Austrian Habsburg prince. That will not work out, even more in a country where most of the population is descendant of Spanish and Amerindians.

It would be much better if you find a descendant of the old Imperial Mexica (from before Columbus) or Maya and educate him properly to his role as a constitucional monarch. And it would be much better if this person was a male line descendant of those Emperors.



Isn't that what we're suggesting?

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Do NOT commit the mistake of calling a foreign prince to become a monarch. Forget about an Austrian Habsburg prince. That will not work out, even more in a country where most of the population is descendant of Spanish and Amerindians.

I do not think i will ever agree with this, The Legitimate King of Spain is the King of New Spain
or at least, that what i want to believe

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I don't agree with that. The King of Spain is not actually the Legitimate King of New Spain due to the Agreements between both countries where Spain accepted -finally- Mexico's independence in 1829 -signed in Tampico, Mexico- and hence made and oath to never again try to reconquest Mexico or neither of its former colonies in America.
Hence, there's no longer a New Spain, there's Mexico independent and apart from Spain, eventhough linked together by cultural links between. In that case the legitimate King of Mexico would be the descendants of Agustín de Iturbide later-on legally adopted by Maximiliano and Charlotte Habsburg. Yes, I'm talking about Gotzen-Iturbide.

Hence, utopicly, the idea of unifying both Miravalle-Moctezuma and Gotzen-Iturbide dinasties would be fabulous. You're linking the creolle reality of Mexico with it's former indigenous past -cometh forward or made into spanish manners-. Even though, I think this would be very simbollic, for administrative and real reasons I think a democracy with Universal vote serves better it's purpouse.
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