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His Majesty King Juan Carlos of Spain has awarded the Order of the Golden Fleece to President Sarkozy of France.  The Order of the Golden Fleece is an ancient order presided over by the Bourbons of Spain and the Hapsburgs of Austria.  It is to be noted that the King of Spain is a member of the Bourbon House that once reigned over France, and the President of France is descended from Hungarians who were ruled by the House of Hapsburg.

http://www.royalty.nu/news/12/01/MocFleece.html

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Sad.
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LOL...I'm not a Sarkozy fan either Jovan, but I am a big fan of His Majesty.


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LOL...I'm not a Sarkozy fan either Jovan, but I am a big fan of His Majesty.


I am not a fan of either, but that's not why I find it sad. Go to Wikipedia and compare the lists of the living members of the two branches of the order. Just ignore the spurious dates of induction to the Austrian Order. They have Christoph Cardinal Schönborn, Chaplain of the Order being inducted as a 16 year old! For an Ancient Catholic Order to be so degraded as the Spanish Order has is sad.

One of the few questionable things Blessed Karl did was to try to bribe Admiral Horthy with the Golden Fleece. Horthy, twice perjurored, pointed out to his King that the Order was restricted to Catholics and that he was an Evangelical Calvinist.



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I am not a fan of either, but that's not why I find it sad. Go to Wikipedia and compare the lists of the living members of the two branches of the order. Just ignore the spurious dates of induction to the Austrian Order. They have Christoph Cardinal Schönborn, Chaplain of the Order being inducted as a 16 year old! For an Ancient Catholic Order to be so degraded as the Spanish Order has is sad.

One of the few questionable things Blessed Karl did was to try to bribe Admiral Horthy with the Golden Fleece. Horthy, twice perjurored, pointed out to his King that the Order was restricted to Catholics and that he was an Evangelical Calvinist.


Oh my God! The Order of the Golden Fleece awarded to President Sarkozy??? Aaaaaaa! I respect the King's decision, but it's really sad... On the list of living members of the Spanish Order everything was OK until 2010. Only respected royals were inducted into the Order. Unfortunately it's no longer restricted to Catholics, and, as we see, no longer restricted to members of royal families. Javier Solana, Victor Garcia de la Concha and President sarkozy... Terrible. The ancient Spanish Order is becoming less prestigious. And, do you know why the Habsburg Order was not awarded since 1961?

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LOL...I'm not a Sarkozy fan either Jovan, but I am a big fan of His Majesty.

Me too.
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 And, do you know why the Habsburg Order was not awarded since 1961?


As I pointed out, the dates on the Habsburg Order are obviously wrong, since Christoph, Cardinal Schonborn, the Chaplain of the Order, is shown as having been inducted in 1961 when he was a 16 year old layman.

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I once asked the bemused seven-year-old grandson of the real Bishop of Dallas, who was dressed as a bishop for All Saints' Day wearing his grandfather's mitre, for a blessing.  Why not--he's more of a bishop than Katharine Jefferts Schori will ever be...


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I once asked the bemused seven-year-old grandson of the real Bishop of Dallas, who was dressed as a bishop for All Saints' Day wearing his grandfather's mitre, for a blessing.  Why not--he's more of a bishop than Katharine Jefferts Schori will ever be...

Even given my theological opinions, I have to agree here! Cute.

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 And, do you know why the Habsburg Order was not awarded since 1961?
As I pointed out, the dates on the Habsburg Order are obviously wrong, since Christoph, Cardinal Schonborn, the Chaplain of the Order, is shown as having been inducted in 1961 when he was a 16 year old layman.

Ah, so that's what you meant. Sorry, I misread something. The dates before 1961 are correct. Now I'm trying to find the rest of them.

The last President of the French Republic to be awarded with this order was Gaston Doumergue (1926). I hoped this will not happen anymore. Descendants of Louis XIV "Le Roi-Soleil", inducting French Presidents into the royal order... It's strange.

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I once asked the bemused seven-year-old grandson of the real Bishop of Dallas, who was dressed as a bishop for All Saints' Day wearing his grandfather's mitre, for a blessing. Why not--he's more of a bishop than Katharine Jefferts Schori will ever be...

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The last President of the French Republic to be awarded with this order was Gaston Doumergue (1926). I hoped this will not happen anymore. Descendants of Louis XIV "Le Roi-Soleil", inducting French Presidents into the royal order... It's strange.

Yes, and in 1898, Felix Faure, President of the revolutionary Republic was inducted. Since you are a young lady, I shall not tell you about him, but leave it to you to research on the 'net. Suffice it to say that the Spanish Order has become a mockery, and not only recently!

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