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Chas,
I think as long as they are free to operate, they will operating in the established hierarchy...

(I think that's as close as I've been able to come to agreeing with you on anything controversial, and I'm glad we see so close to the same way on something at least....)

KYM,
We're talking about the real world not the cyber version.
You'll need:
1) The Belt of Truth
2) breastplate of righteousness;
3) Shoes of the preparation of the gospel of peace
4) The shield of faith
5) the helmet of salvation
6) the sword of the Spirit (which is the word of God).


Now,  to get these 'better than magical items' you'll need to Quest under the guidance of the Holy Ghost in the Scriptures, Prayer and Fasting.  A local congregation of believers to assist you in training would be a good idea.

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The oldest monarhcy is not Satans. THe oldest Monarhcy is Gods, who Satan attemtoed ot overthrow. This makes Satan not a true King. He is but a PRetender tot he Throne of God, which he covets and seeks to overthrow.


I think that Fascinaiton with this sort of hting, and admiraiton, are dangerous, especally when combined with a quesiton of if we shoudl support them.


If we support an Evil Monarhcy, we support evil. As much as I support monarhcy as the most efficient and best form of Govenment, I woudl always favour a justRepublic to an evil Monarhcy, and much less an evil Monarchy twhich lacks any sort of legitimacy. How is Satan Legitimate rulr of Hell except by his desire for the throen fo another, hi wown King? And Satan, as Kign of Traitors, harldy constitutes somethign I coudl support.
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I've killed hundreds, if not thousands, of demons. It's really fun, especially if you use cheat codes, though I could probably do well without them, having essentially infinite lives (maybe it should be respawnings...meh). Cyberdemons are f-in' hard to kill, though. Make sure you've got a BFG if you meet one of 'em. It'll really come in handy.

Doom reference FTW!

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The oldest monarhcy is not Satans. THe oldest Monarhcy is Gods, who Satan attemtoed ot overthrow. This makes Satan not a true King. He is but a PRetender tot he Throne of God, which he covets and seeks to overthrow.


I think that Fascinaiton with this sort of hting, and admiraiton, are dangerous, especally when combined with a quesiton of if we shoudl support them.


If we support an Evil Monarhcy, we support evil. As much as I support monarhcy as the most efficient and best form of Govenment, I woudl always favour a justRepublic to an evil Monarhcy, and much less an evil Monarchy twhich lacks any sort of legitimacy. How is Satan Legitimate rulr of Hell except by his desire for the throen fo another, hi wown King? And Satan, as Kign of Traitors, harldy constitutes somethign I coudl support.


+1 for truthiness. This topic is quite an odd and dangerous one spiritually. God is the true king of all and even slightest dabbling into demonology can be dangerous to one's soul.
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All true and truthy, but it's also true that the best way to defeat one's enemy is to know him. My personal opinion is that today we talk less about hell and demons than in about any other time in history, yet the influence of the evil one is greater than at any other time.



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All true and truthy, but it's also true that the best way to defeat one's enemy is to know him. My personal opinion is that today we talk less about hell and demons than in about any other time in history, yet the influence of the evil one is greater than at any other time.

 
C.S. Lewis said that there are three ways of dealing with Satan, the traditional Chrisatian way, denying his existence, or worshipping him. He said that Satan welcomed equally with open arms the atheist and the Satanist.
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In truth God has not been a good friend of Monarchy at all. After all if God put Monarchs on their thrones why would he allow them to be overthrown and in some cases killed. I am sad to say that God did not protect such monarchs from King Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland to King Louis XVI of France and to Emperor Nicholas II of Russia when they were overthrown and later murdered by savage revolutionaries.


The terrorists Round heads of Madman Oliver Cromwell believed that God was on his side and his side won in the English Civil War against the heroic Royal Cavaliers and Martyr King Charles I. I have always wondered why God did not intervene and save King Charles I and his loyal Lieutenants from being beheaded by the Roundhead Regime. King Charles I and his Lieutenants were loyal Christians who did their duty to God and looked what happened to them at the hands of the Antichrist Oliver Cromwell and his evil Henchmen and their terrorist supporters.


Like King Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland, King Louis XVI and his Lieutenants from Nobles to Clergy where good Christians and this did not stop them from being murdered by the godless revolutionary Jacobins who spit in God's name and his anointed. God is responsible for the murders of King Louis XVI, his wife Queen Marie Antoinette and their loyal lieutenants and their followers like the Swiss Guards (Who guard the Pope) who were savagely tortured to death and who were murdered by a godless mob who then guillotined them.


Tsar Nicholas II and his Family were also devout Christians and like the previous devout Christian Monarchs had been murdered by evil terrorists in the Bolsheviks who also like the Jacob ins spit in God's name and his anointed. God could have save the 18 Romanov's who were murdered in the Russian Revolution but did not and I wonder why. He should have intervened to save these people who were devout Christians and committed to God.



Now dont get me wrong I am a firm supporter in God and his son Jesus Christ and I try to be a good person and help others out. I am also committed to his fight against the Emperor of Hell Satan and his Senior Henchmen the Nobles of Hell, I am also believe that God will defeat Satan and his Henchmen and their followers.



I do wonder however if Monarchs were at the service of Satan like they are in now in the service of God, would Satan let his anointed be overthrown and killed by savage revolutionaries. I firmly believe that Satan would not allow his anointed to be overthrown and killed in a violent manner by the people who he anointed them to rule. I bet if Satan saw a Revolution coming against his Earthly Henchmen he would unleash the Armies of Hell on the Revolutionaries and put them in their place and save the Monarchy.
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God is the only Friend a Monarch can have, but by Gods design the matter of Hisotry plays out, giving Humanity the ability tomake its own decisions and live with the consequences, and to allow herosim to inspire us, and for us ot be heroes, thus betterign us.


When God does not Hault evil, it is gor a greater good to coem of it. We live in thi world to leanr moral virtues and to develop cetian kinds of CHarecter,a nd in order of rthat Charecter to be refined, w emust expeirnce hard times, and fight agaisnt an overwhelmign evil.


Out of all the evils mentioend by you a good came about. The Martyrdom fo CHarles the firts gave us hope, and nwo Saint Charles the Martyr is rmembered, and he Glorious restoration in his memory conducted.

His Death was notable, and thus insiraitonal to us. Cromwells Republic, nd later protectorate, of England also illustrates to us the vanity and folly of overthrowing our lawful rulers and the evils that lay int he heart of Republicanism.

His Regeme was harsh and punished all good thigns of beuty and worth, and peopels midns where broguth to it and remember it. It made heir dedication strnger, and hwen he fell, much rejoicing came. Form it we learned lessons all. Even us today, not livign then.

Look at the deaths int he French Revolution. Those peopel suffered terror because they chose to reject God and hsi Christian Order. Everyone, from the Crown, tot he nobility, tot he epasants got to live throguh terror and form it learn to either resist evil or mebrace it, and he lessosn this brigns htem.

As I said earlier, we live in order to build a moral Charecter. This wa their test.

They saw what a compleltey secular, enlightenmetn world odl be like, and it was an oppressive tyranny, hat striped htem of all their heritage an dhisoty and attmeoted ot reshape society in thir image. They claimed the crown was a tyranny only to give the tyrnany of their republic, and the terror that ensued. The people learned well, as can we.

It was doen for our benifit to learn form, and htose hwo lived through it.

And when the great and ifnal restoraiton occures, we shall all the more rejoice.


The Tzars where weak and brought about their own doom by allowign the rot to enter in, and Rasputin was no aid to this.

But even the 70 year sof darkness and evil came about for ends to brign us great hope and great heroes,and let us learn the lessosn we needed ot learn.


And int he end, all thigns shall be made new and the perfect order restored.

Satan must have his due, and this is still his world, he is its Prince and ruler, and we stive agaisnt his evil.


And we must all learn and struggle.

But int he end, CHrist our King shall prevail, and all thigns shall be rboguth to their needful end.


All of what we saw had its grand purpose, and even the grandeure of ROme fell.

We shall see, in the end, the reason for all things.

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"C.S. Lewis said that there are three ways of dealing with Satan, the traditional Chrisatian way, denying his existence, or worshipping him. He said that Satan welcomed equally with open arms the atheist and the Satanist."

And the traditional Christian way, as practiced by Lewis, was to write novels like the Screwtape Letters, detailing the personalities and methods of his minions.
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In truth God has not been a good friend of Monarchy at all. After all if God put Monarchs on their thrones why would he allow them to be overthrown and in some cases killed. I am sad to say that God did not protect such monarchs from King Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland to King Louis XVI of France and to Emperor Nicholas II of Russia when they were overthrown and later murdered by savage revolutionaries.


The theology of the Book of Common Prayer explains the death of HM Charles I, King and Martyr as the punishment of the people for their sins.  This in and of itself is a great testament to the holiness and wisdom of the early Anglicans.

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The terrorists Round heads of Madman Oliver Cromwell believed that God was on his side and his side won in the English Civil War against the heroic Royal Cavaliers and Martyr King Charles I. I have always wondered why God did not intervene and save King Charles I and his loyal Lieutenants from being beheaded by the Roundhead Regime. King Charles I and his Lieutenants were loyal Christians who did their duty to God and looked what happened to them at the hands of the Antichrist Oliver Cromwell and his evil Henchmen and their terrorist supporters.


I say again, read the order of service for His Majesty Charles I, King and Martyr and you'll see a very well thought-out explanation - sometimes the King suffers for the people, and sometimes after that last full measure of Royal Suffering, the people are visited with the penalties in their own person.

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Like King Charles I of England, Scotland and Ireland, King Louis XVI and his Lieutenants from Nobles to Clergy where good Christians and this did not stop them from being murdered by the godless revolutionary Jacobins who spit in God's name and his anointed.

It is possible that they were punished for the 'sin' of supporting the rebellion in the Americas against God's anointed Britannic Majesty.
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God is responsible for the murders of King Louis XVI, his wife Queen Marie Antoinette and their loyal lieutenants and their followers like the Swiss Guards (Who guard the Pope) who were savagely tortured to death and who were murdered by a godless mob who then guillotined them.

As Sovereign He could have stopped it and didn't.  A case could be made that this makes Him the responcible party (Not one I'd accept of course).  But then the King is responsible for the enforcement of the law - including the execution of certain high crimes...(like aiding and abetting a rebellion...)
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Tsar Nicholas II and his Family were also devout Christians and like the previous devout Christian Monarchs had been murdered by evil terrorists in the Bolsheviks who also like the Jacob ins spit in God's name and his anointed. God could have save the 18 Romanov's who were murdered in the Russian Revolution but did not and I wonder why. He should have intervened to save these people who were devout Christians and committed to God.

This one I have given less thought to.  I don't pretend to be sure of why the French monarch fell, and I'm even less sure of a reason for the fall of the Tsar - though I do tend to think that in his case it may have been more the result of his own failures than that of the people.....


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Now dont get me wrong I am a firm supporter in God and his son Jesus Christ and I try to be a good person and help others out. I am also committed to his fight against the Emperor of Hell Satan and his Senior Henchmen the Nobles of Hell, I am also believe that God will defeat Satan and his Henchmen and their followers.



I do wonder however if Monarchs were at the service of Satan like they are in now in the service of God, would Satan let his anointed be overthrown and killed by savage revolutionaries. I firmly believe that Satan would not allow his anointed to be overthrown and killed in a violent manner by the people who he anointed them to rule. I bet if Satan saw a Revolution coming against his Earthly Henchmen he would unleash the Armies of Hell on the Revolutionaries and put them in their place and save the Monarchy.


Where then are the Pharaohs?
Where are the Selucids?
How does the Kingdom of Antiochus fare?
What became of the Kingdom of Tyre?


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"C.S. Lewis said that there are three ways of dealing with Satan, the traditional Chrisatian way, denying his existence, or worshipping him. He said that Satan welcomed equally with open arms the atheist and the Satanist."

And the traditional Christian way, as practiced by Lewis, was to write novels like the Screwtape Letters, detailing the personalities and methods of his minions.


CSL wrote obvious fiction depicting the methods for those who wouldn't take the time to read of them on their own in Scripture.

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Where then are the Pharaohs?
Where are the Selucids?
How does the Kingdom of Antiochus fare?
What became of the Kingdom of Tyre?


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First things first I dont regard the Pharaohs as being in the service of Satan. Pharoanic Egypt was never a Christian country and they believed in many gods, in fact thousands of them. Many Gods were god and evil, Gods like Osiris representing good and his younger brother Seth representing evil are in some ways a pagan form of Christianity.  In fact the Pharoanic Religion is very Monarchical with a sort of Royal Family amounts the Gods. The Royal Family of Gods is comprised of Geb (God of Earth), his wife Nut (Goddess of Sky) their children Osiris (God of life), his sister and wife Isis (Goddess of Magic), their brother Seth (God of Dessert) and his sister and wife Nephthys (Goddess of Nature). The Son of Osiris and Isis is Horus (God of the Sun) and his cousin is Anubis son of Seth and Nephthys (God of the Underworld).


Geb (God of the Earth)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geb

Nut (Goddess of the Sky)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nut_%28goddess%29

Osiris (God of Life)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris

Isis (Goddess of Magic)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis

Horus (God of the Sun)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

Set (God of the Dessert)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_%28mythology%29

Nephthys (Goddess of Nature)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephthys

Anubis (God of the Underworld)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis


First Generation Gods (Geb and Nut)
Second Generation Gods (Osiris, Isis, Set and Nephthys)
Third Generation Gods (Horus and Anubis)


As a Christian I take a more liberal view on the Great Pharaonic Religion. I believe that this religion was very Monarchist in nature and we as Monarchists should in a way look up to the Phareonic Religion for its respect and devotion to the Pharaoh and his family. I see nothing wrong in this faith at all and I hope that in some ways it comes back because it would be a better religion for Egypt then the current faith called Islam. Compared to Islam this religion is far much gentler and kinder.


I am not familiar with the Seculids and the Kingdoms of Antiochus and Yyre. I dont know much about these and would love for you to tell me about them so that I can make up my mind with regards to them.


I will read about the service of His Majesty King Charles I (The Martyr) and see what is says on this matter. I will reply after I have find it and read about it. I hope it can explain to me why God allowed His Majesty King Charles I and his Loyal Lieutenants to be beheaded and allowed the evil of the Roundheads to take over.


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I like the idea of Seth, God of Dessert. Not that I have a particularly sweet tooth myself. The Seleucids were one of the successor dynasties of Alexander, taking essentially the Asian portion of the empire. A number of their kings were called Antiochus, in fact they got up to Antiochus XIII. I don't think a great deal is known about the Kings of Tyre, or if it is it is not known by me.

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This [rather strange] thread was getting needlessly long and complicated due to excessive and unclear quoting of what had already been posted.  I've cleaned it up a bit and I think it flows better now.  Try to be clear and concise when quoting others' posts, as BaronVonServers has done admirably.
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In truth God has not been a good friend of Monarchy at all. After all if God put Monarchs on their thrones why would he allow them to be overthrown and in some cases killed.


I don't claim to be a Christian, but even I can answer that.   If humans are to have free will, God "has" to let them be able to do any evil they can imagine.  It would be very strange and illogical if there were some sort of magical exception preventing only the abolitions of monarchies, while allowing all other evils.   And as with all good things, what would there be to celebrate in the survival and restoration of monarchies if their overthrow were literally impossible?

The Christian monarchist and the secular monarchist can agree, I think, that it is up to us to work to preserve and restore monarchies.  "God helps those who help themselves," etc..


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