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Peter

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Sure, no resentment like I said. No argument either that Princess Margarita is the MPP heiress of Kings Ferdinand, Carol II and Michael. I dismiss the Lambrinos out of hand as a patently illegitimate line. My disagreement was with the text. I value the rule of law before all things in matters of governance, and my view is that a monarch as the very embodiment of law should be scrupulous to observe it in every respect, and be seen to observe it. There was nothing in Romania's last monarchical constitution giving the late King Michael the power to alter the succession by fiat, therefore he should not have purported to do so and I consider his actions in this regard to have been null and void from the beginning.

This I acknowledge is very much a minority view, but it is mine and I maintain it. Anyway, it's your thread and you set the rules for what goes into it, not me. Not only would I not hinder you, I guarantee my cooperation where needed, as with updating post #1, regardless of agreement or disagreement. I value your contributions far too much to take any risk of putting you off!
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So we don't have a problem. Good. :)

While I was copying the descents, I had a look at the 1938 constitution. Yes, it did account for almost everything. That's why Prince Karl has a perfectly legitimate claim, which I do not dispute. It's also understandable why the Romanian government did not wish to even consider King Michael's changes to the succession.

I wished Princess Margareta luck, because a restored Romanian monarchy would somewhat improve the chances of a Bulgarian restoration.

I also found the thread from 2010 in which you voiced your opinion on the matter. It's the same, so I can only commend you for being consistent, unlike some other people we both know.

Finally, I've pointed out a couple of times before that this thread is not for solving such disputes. I only wanted to show the many people who fit certain criteria. Once again, without this forum and the presence of people such as yourself, I would have probably failed to find the resolve to do it.
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Heir №14: Duchess Donata of Mecklenburg (b. 1956) [Part Two]


III. Kingdom of Norway:
  1. Haakon IV of Norway (1204 - 1263), father of...
  2. Magnus VI of Norway (1238 - 1280), father of...
  3. Eric II of Norway (1268 - 1299), father of...
  4. Ingeborg Eriksdottir of Norway (1297 - 1357), first cousin of...
  5. Ingeborg of Norway (1301 - 1361), mother of...
  6. Magnus IV of Sweden (1316 - 1374), father of...
  7. Haakon VI of Norway (1340 - 1380), father of...
  8. Olaf II of Denmark (1370 - 1387), second cousin of...
  9. Albert IV, Duke of Mecklenburg (bef. 1363 - 1388), brother of...
  10. Euphemia of Mecklenburg (c. 1360 - 1400), sister of...
  11. Maria of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (c. 1365 - c. 1402), mother of...
  12. Eric of Pomerania (c. 1381 - 1459), second cousin of...
  13. Henry IV, Duke of Mecklenburg (1417 - 1477), father of...
  14. Albert VI, Duke of Mecklenburg (1438 - 1483), brother of...
  15. Magnus II, Duke of Mecklenburg (1441 - 1503), father of...
  16. Henry V, Duke of Mecklenburg (1479 - 1552), father of...
  17. Philip, Duke of Mecklenburg (1514 - 1557), half-uncle of...
  18. Francis Otto, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg (1530 - 1559), brother of...
  19. Henry, Duke of Brunswick-Dannenberg (1533 - 1598), father of...
  20. Julius Ernst, Duke of Brunswick-Dannenberg (1571 - 1636), father of...
  21. Maria Katharina of Brunswick (1616 - 1665), mother of...
  22. Frederick, Duke of Mecklenburg-Grabow (1638 - 1688), father of...
  23. Frederick William, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1675 - 1713), brother of...
  24. Karl Leopold, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1678 - 1747), grandfather of...
  25. Ivan VI of Russia (1740 - 1764), brother of...
  26. Peter Antonovich of Brunswick (1745 - 1798), brother of...
  27. Catherine Antonovna of Brunswick (1741 - 1807), second cousin of...
  28. Frederick Francis I, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1756 - 1837), same as I-1.

IV. Duchy of Mecklenburg-Güstrow (genealogical representation only):
  1. John Albert II, Duke of Mecklenburg (1590 - 1636), father of...
  2. Gustav Adolph, Duke of Mecklenburg-Güstrow (1633 - 1695), father of...
  3. Maria of Mecklenburg-Güstrow (1659 - 1701), mother of...
  4. Adolphus Frederick III, Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (1686 - 1752), uncle of...
  5. Frederick II, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1717 - 1785), uncle of...
  6. Frederick Francis I, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1756 - 1837), same as I-1.
Several months ago, I mentioned an additional important genealogical descent for Duchess Donata. No, I don't mean the one where she's somehow the representative of Gorm the Old. I had in mind the one which passed through the unfortunate family of Ivan VI of Russia (not that one). I managed to rediscover it by accident. Anyway, this very interesting descent from several Scandinavian monarchs is slightly negated by their thrones being occupied by (at the moment): Queen Margrethe II of Denmark, King Harald V of Norway and King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden. It's worth pointing out that only Norway was always supposed to have a hereditary monarchy, which kind of caused some problems during the Kalmar Union. 

There may be other representations for the Duchess, but I'm yet to find them.

P. S. Peter, would you please add this representations to the list? Thanks!
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I have done it, but am not sure if it is quite in the way you would wish. Please check and let me know (no. 14) if any amendments are required. If you don't say anything, I will assume all is fine.
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Yes, it is perfectly fine. I haven't expected anything else by now. [smile]
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Heir №20: Prince Ernst August of Hanover (b. 1954)

Since 1987, he has been the Head of the House of Hanover, which is among the oldest German noble houses. Through his father, this man is heir to at least two genealogical representations.

I. Kingdom of Hanover & Duchy of Brunswick (also heir-male):
  1. Ernest Augustus, King of Hanover (1771 - 1851), father of...
  2. George V of Hanover (1819 - 1878), father of...
  3. Prince Ernest Augustus, 3rd Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (1845 - 1923), father of...
  4. Ernest Augustus, Duke of Brunswick (1887 - 1953), father of...
  5. Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover (1914 - 1987), father of...
  6. Prince Ernst August of Hanover (b. 1954).

II. Duchy of Saxe-Hildburghausen/Duchy of Saxe-Altenburg (genealogical representation only):
  1. Ernest, Duke of Saxe-Hildburghausen (1655 - 1715), father of...
  2. Ernest Frederick I, Duke of Saxe-Hildburghausen (1681 - 1724), father of...
  3. Ernest Frederick II, Duke of Saxe-Hildburghausen (1707 - 1745), father of...
  4. Ernest Frederick III, Duke of Saxe-Hildburghausen (1727 - 1780), father of...
  5. Frederick, Duke of Saxe-Altenburg (1763 - 1834), father of...
  6. Joseph, Duke of Saxe-Altenburg (1789 - 1868), father of...
  7. Marie of Saxe-Altenburg (1818 - 1907), mother of...
  8. Prince Ernest Augustus, 3rd Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale (1845 - 1923), same as I-3.
When King William IV died in 1837, the personal union between his realms ended. As the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland employed cognatic primogeniture, he could be (and was) succeeded by his niece, Queen Victoria. The Kingdom of Hanover had agnatic primogeniture, however, so his successor over there was his brother, King Ernst August. The latter's son was deposed in 1866 and Hanover became part of the Kingdom of Prussia.

When the last Duke of the elder line of the House died in 1884, the Crown Prince of Hanover was unable to succeed him. However, fortunes reversed in 1913 and the pretender's son (a son-in-law of the German Emperor) became Duke of Brunswick, until his own deposition in late 1918.

The Duchy of Saxe-Altenburg also ceased to exist at that time. There has been no actual pretender to that throne since 1991. Duchess Donata of Mecklenburg (already featured in this thread) is also a theoretical candidate for filling the vacancy.

Due to the fact that any remaining representations are largely those of monarchs from the Holy Roman Empire (which practiced, you know, agnatic primogeniture), I will cease to update this thread in the foreseeable future. Sorry about that.

However, I still have plans and I have already prepared something which may take some time to be shown in full, as it turned out more complex than I had anticipated.

There you go: twenty Heirs of Europe, all thanks to royal intermarriage and the hands of fate...

P. S. Peter, would you please do what the forum software does not allow me to do myself? Thank you. [smile]
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Gladly done, with many thanks for all your hard work on the thread. I look forward to the new project, whenever it may be unveiled.
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You are welcome, Peter! Hopefully, my next post on this forum is going to be the start of what I have in mind. Maybe on Monday...
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I have just noticed a rather bizarre error on my part, which had strangely gone unnoticed until now. It does't change much, fortunately.

When King Leopold II of the Belgians died in 1909, his heir-general was actually his eldest daughter, Princess Louise of Belgium (1858 - 1924). At her death, the representation went to her daughter, Princess Dorothea of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (1881 - 1967). It was only in 1967 that she was succeeded by her first cousin once removed, Franz Joseph, Prinz zu Windisch-Graetz (1904 - 1981). Phew!

I really hope that I haven't made any other, truly "serious" mistakes. That's it for now!
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Cheer up, it could have been worse.
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