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Heir №2: Franz, Duke of Bavaria (b. 1933)

He is the elder son of Albrecht, Duke of Bavaria, and Countess Maria Draskovich of Trakostjan. Since 1996, he has been the claimant to the former throne of the Kingdom of Bavaria. Through his father, however, the Duke of Bavaria is able to claim the representation of a number of royal and noble individuals.


I. Kingdom of England:

  1. William the Conqueror (c. 1028 - 1087), father of...
  2. Robert Curthose (c. 1051 - 1134), brother of...
  3. Henry I of England (c. 1068 - 1135), father of...
  4. Empress Matilda (1102 - 1167), mother of...
  5. Henry II of England (1133 - 1189), father of...
  6. Richard I of England (1157 - 1199), uncle of...
  7. Arthur I, Duke of Brittany (1187 - c. 1203), brother of...
  8. Eleanor, Fair Maid of Brittany (c. 1184 - 1241), first cousin of...
  9. Henry III of England (1207 - 1272), father of...
  10. Edward I of England (1239 - 1307), father of...
  11. Edward II of England (1284 - 1327), father of...
  12. Edward III of England (1312 - 1377), grandfather of...
  13. Richard II of England (1367 - c. 1400), first cousin twice removed of...
  14. Edmund Mortimer, 5th Earl of March (1391 - 1425), uncle of...
  15. Richard of York, 3rd Duke of York (1411 - 1460), father of...
  16. Edward IV of England (1442 - 1483), father of...
  17. Edward V of England (1470 - c. 1483), brother of...
  18. Elizabeth of York (1466 - 1503), mother of...
  19. Henry VIII of England (1491 - 1547), father of...
  20. Edward VI of England (1537 - 1553), half-brother of...
  21. Mary I of England (1516 - 1558), half-sister of...
  22. Elizabeth I of England (1533 - 1603), first cousin twice removed of...
  23. James VI and I (1566 - 1625), father of...
  24. Charles I of England (1600 - 1649), father of...
  25. Charles II of England (1630 - 1685), brother of...
  26. James II of England (1633 - 1701), father of...
  27. James Francis Edward Stuart (1688 - 1766), father of...
  28. Charles Edward Stuart (1720 - 1788), brother of...
  29. Henry Benedict Stuart (1725 - 1807), second cousin twice removed of...
  30. Charles Emmanuel IV of Sardinia (1751 - 1819), brother of...
  31. Victor Emmanuel I of Sardinia (1759 - 1824), father of...
  32. Maria Beatrice of Savoy (1792 - 1840), mother of...
  33. Francis V, Duke of Modena (1819 - 1875), uncle of...
  34. Maria Theresa of Austria-Este (1849 - 1919), mother of...
  35. Rupprecht, Crown Prince of Bavaria (1869 - 1955), father of...
  36. Albrecht, Duke of Bavaria (1905 - 1996), father of...
  37. Franz, Duke of Bavaria (b. 1933).


TO BE CONTINUED...
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Heir №2: Franz, Duke of Bavaria (b. 1933) [Part Two]

 

II. Kingdom of Scotland:

  1. Robert the Bruce (1274 - 1329), father of...
  2. David II of Scotland (1324 - 1371), half-uncle of...
  3. Robert II of Scotland (1316 - 1390), father of...
  4. Robert III of Scotland (c. 1337/40 - 1406), father of...
  5. James I of Scotland (1394 - 1437), father of...
  6. James II of Scotland (1430 - 1460), father of...
  7. James III of Scotland (1451/2 - 1488), father of...
  8. James IV of Scotland (1473 - 1513), father of...
  9. James V of Scotland (1512 - 1542), father of...
  10. Mary, Queen of Scots (1542 - 1587), mother of...
  11. James VI and I (1566 - 1625), same as I-23.

 

III. Kingdom of France (genealogical representation only):

  1. Louis XII of France (1462 - 1515), father of...
  2. Claude of France (1499 - 1524), mother of...
  3. Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518 - 1536), brother of...
  4. Henry II of France (1519 - 1559), father of...
  5. Francis II of France (1544 - 1560), brother of...
  6. Charles IX of France (1550 - 1574), father of...
  7. Marie Elisabeth of France (1572 - 1578), niece of...
  8. Henry III of France (1551 - 1589), uncle of...
  9. Isabella Clara Eugenia (1566 - 1633), aunt of...
  10. Victor Amadeus I, Duke of Savoy (1587 - 1637), father of...
  11. Francis Hyacinth, Duke of Savoy (1632 - 1638), brother of...
  12. Charles Emmanuel II, Duke of Savoy (1634 - 1675), father of...
  13. Victor Amadeus II of Sardinia (1666 - 1732), father of...
  14. Charles Emmanuel III of Sardinia (1701 - 1773), father of...
  15. Victor Amadeus III of Sardinia (1726 - 1796), father of...
  16. Charles Emmanuel IV of Sardinia (1751 - 1819), same as I-30.

IV. Kingdom of Bavaria (also heir-male):

  1. Maximilian I Joseph of Bavaria (1756 - 1825), father of...
  2. Ludwig I of Bavaria (1786 - 1868), grandfather of...
  3. Ludwig II of Bavaria (1845 - 1886), brother of...
  4. Otto of Bavaria (1848 - 1916), first cousin of...
  5. Ludwig III of Bavaria (1845 - 1921), father of...
  6. Rupprecht, Crown Prince of Bavaria (1869 - 1955), same as I-35.

 

TO BE CONTINUED...

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Heir №2: Franz, Duke of Bavaria (b. 1933) [Part Three]



V. Duchy of Modena (genealogical representation only):


  1. Cesare d'Este, Duke of Modena (1562 - 1628), father of...
  2. Alfonso III d'Este, Duke of Modena (1591 - 1644), father of...
  3. Francesco I d'Este, Duke of Modena (1610 - 1658), father of...
  4. Alfonso IV d'Este, Duke of Modena (1634 - 1662), father of...
  5. Francesco II d'Este, Duke of Modena (1660 - 1694), brother of...
  6. Mary of Modena (1658 - 1718), mother of...
  7. James Francis Edward Stuart (1688 - 1766), father of...
  8. Charles Edward Stuart (1720 - 1788), brother of...
  9. Henry Benedict Stuart (1725 - 1807), third cousin of...
  10. Maria Beatrice d'Este, Duchess of Massa (1750 - 1829), mother of...
  11. Francis IV, Duke of Modena (1779 - 1846), father of...
  12. Francis V, Duke of Modena (1819 - 1875), same as I-33.

It is now time for a brief summary. The representations held by the current Duke of Bavaria are also of Catholic (or formerly Catholic) states in Western Europe. No major surprises here.

Let us now have a quick look at any possible claim. As I have already noted, the legitimate monarch of England, Ireland (some of it de facto), Scotland and Wales is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. In today's general anti-monarchical climate, there are those (Jacobites), who argue that "Francis II" is the true ruler of England, etc. No offense, but they should get a grip.

As the Kingdom of France practiced agnatic primogeniture, the Duke of Bavaria, as a member of the House of Wittelsbach, has absolutely no legitimate claim to it either.

Fortunately, he is the true claimant for the throne of the Kingdom of Bavaria, so I could only wish him luck to get it back, so to speak!

Unlike the Duke of Calabria, Franz does not seem as spectacular in the "senior genealogical heir by MPP" section. If I am to discover any truly spectacular descents, I would surely return to him one day.
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Not spectacular perhaps, but he is also heir to the de Montfort Dukes of Brittany, through III.2 above and her mother Anne of Brittany. He is also I believe heir to the rival Penthièvre claim to the duchy, though I have not fully verified this. The de Montfort claim is better anyway, on account of they won and the Penthièvres lost. In general, though, I would think being heir to the Kingdom of Bavaria and lineal representative of William the Conqueror and Robert the Bruce is enough honour, anything piled on top would be just gravy.
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Wrong choice of words again, sorry!

About Brittany, I had tried following the claims, but it didn't really work out. Some other time :)

There should be a new heir tonight, a slightly obscure one with a great ancestry.

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Heir №3: Prince Guillaume zu Windisch-Graetz (b. 1950)

He is a member of the mediatised House of Windisch-Graetz. Through his paternal grandmother, this Prince is the senior genealogical heir of several thrones.


I. Kingdom of Aragon:

  1. Ramiro I of Aragon (bef. 1007 - 1063), father of...
  2. Sancho Ramírez (c. 1042 - 1094), father of...
  3. Peter I of Aragon and Pamplona (c. 1068 - 1104), half-brother of...
  4. Alfonso the Battler (1073/4 - 1134), brother of...
  5. Ramiro II of Aragon (1086 - 1157), father of...
  6. Petronilla of Aragon (1136 - 1173), mother of...
  7. Alfonso II of Aragon (1157 - 1196), father of...
  8. Peter II of Aragon (1178 - 1213), father of...
  9. James I of Aragon (1208 - 1276), father of...
  10. Peter III of Aragon (c. 1239 - 1285), father of...
  11. Alfonso III of Aragon (1265 - 1291), brother of...
  12. James II of Aragon (1267 - 1327), father of...
  13. James of Aragon (1296 - 1334), brother of...
  14. Alfonso IV of Aragon (1299 - 1336), father of...
  15. Peter IV of Aragon (1319 - 1387), father of...
  16. John I of Aragon (1350 - 1396), father of...
  17. Joanna of Aragon, Countess of Foix (1375 - 1407), half-sister of...
  18. Yolande of Aragon (1384 - 1442), mother of...
  19. René of Anjou (1409 - 1480), father of...
  20. Yolande, Duchess of Lorraine (1428 - 1483), mother of...
  21. René II, Duke of Lorraine (1451 - 1508), father of...
  22. Antoine, Duke of Lorraine (1489 - 1544), father of...
  23. Francis I, Duke of Lorraine (1517 - 1545), father of...
  24. Charles III, Duke of Lorraine (1543 - 1608), father of...
  25. Henry II, Duke of Lorraine (1563 - 1624), father of...
  26. Nicole, Duchess of Lorraine (1608 - 1657), aunt of...
  27. Ferdinand Philippe, Hereditary Prince of Lorraine (1639 - 1659), brother of...
  28. Charles V, Duke of Lorraine (1643 - 1690), father of...
  29. Leopold, Duke of Lorraine (1679 - 1729), father of...
  30. Francis I, Holy Roman Emperor (1708 - 1765), father of...
  31. Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor (1741 - 1790), brother of...
  32. Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor (1747 - 1792), father of...
  33. Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor (1768 - 1835), father of...
  34. Ferdinand I of Austria (1793 - 1875), brother of...
  35. Archduke Franz Karl of Austria (1802 - 1878), father of...
  36. Franz Joseph I of Austria (1830 - 1916), grandfather of...
  37. Archduchess Elisabeth Marie of Austria (1883 - 1963), mother of...
  38. Franz Joseph, Prinz zu Windisch-Graetz (1904 - 1981), father of...
  39. Prince Guillaume zu Windisch-Graetz (b. 1950).

TO BE CONTINUED...
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Heir №3: Prince Guillaume zu Windisch-Graetz (b. 1950) [Part Two]



II. Kingdom of Majorca:


  1. James II of Majorca (1243 - 1311), father of...
  2. James of Majorca (b. 1274 - c. 1330), uncle of...
  3. James III of Majorca (1315 - 1349), father of...
  4. James IV of Majorca (c. 1336 - 1375), brother of...
  5. Isabella of Majorca (1337 - 1406), mother of...
  6. Theodore II, Marquess of Montferrat (1364 - 1418), father of...
  7. John Jacob, Marquess of Montferrat (1395 - 1445), father of...
  8. John IV, Marquess of Montferrat (1413 - 1464), brother of...
  9. William VIII, Marquess of Montferrat (1420 - 1483), father of...
  10. Giovanna Palaiologo of Montferrat (1466 - 1490), sister of...
  11. Blanche of Montferrat (1472 - 1519), first cousin once removed of...
  12. Boniface IV, Marquess of Montferrat (1512 - 1530), brother of...
  13. Maria Paleologa (1508 - 1530), sister of...
  14. Margaret Paleologa (1510 - 1566), mother of...
  15. Guglielmo Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (1538 - 1587), father of...
  16. Vincenzo Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (1562 - 1612), father of...
  17. Francesco IV Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua (1586 - 1612), father of...
  18. Maria Gonzaga, Duchess of Montferrat (1609 - 1660), mother of...
  19. Charles II, Duke of Mantua and Montferrat (1629 - 1665), father of...
  20. Ferdinando Carlo Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua and Montferrat (1652 - 1708), first cousin once removed of...
  21. Leopold, Duke of Lorraine (1679 - 1729), same as I-29.

TO BE CONTINUED...
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Heir №3: Prince Guillaume zu Windisch-Graetz (b. 1950) [Part Three]



III. Duchy of Lorraine:


  1. Gerard, Duke of Lorraine (c. 1030 - 1070), father of...
  2. Theodoric II, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1065 - 1115), father of...
  3. Simon I, Duke of Lorraine (1076 - 1139), father of...
  4. Matthias I, Duke of Lorraine (1119 - 1176), father of...
  5. Simon II, Duke of Lorraine (1140 - 1207), uncle of...
  6. Frederick II, Duke of Lorraine (c. 1162 - 1213), father of...
  7. Theobald I, Duke of Lorraine (c. 1191 - 1220), brother of...
  8. Matthias II, Duke of Lorraine (c. 1193 - 1251), father of...
  9. Frederick III, Duke of Lorraine (1240 - 1302), father of...
  10. Theobald II, Duke of Lorraine (1263 - 1312), father of...
  11. Frederick IV, Duke of Lorraine (1282 - 1329), father of...
  12. Rudolph, Duke of Lorraine (1320 - 1346), father of...
  13. John I, Duke of Lorraine (1346 - 1390), father of...
  14. Charles II, Duke of Lorraine (1365 - 1431), father of...
  15. Isabella, Duchess of Lorraine (1400 - 1453), mother of...
  16. John II, Duke of Lorraine (1426 - 1470), father of...
  17. Nicholas I, Duke of Lorraine (1448 - 1473), nephew of...
  18. Yolande, Duchess of Lorraine (1428 - 1483), same as I-20.


IV. Kingdom of Belgium (genealogical representation only):

  1. Leopold I of Belgium (1790 - 1865), father of...
  2. Leopold II of Belgium (1835 - 1909), father of...
  3. Princess Stéphanie of Belgium (1864 - 1945), mother of...
  4. Archduchess Elisabeth Marie of Austria (1883 - 1963), same as I-37.

These are most of the genealogical representations of this particular heir. As usual, let's have a brief look at them.

Aragon and Majorca are both part of the Kingdom of Spain. Since 2014, the legitimate monarch there has been His Majesty King Felipe VI of Spain. Still, a solid claim to both, but the Semi-Salic succession made the crown(s) go elsewhere.

The Duchy of Lorraine has not existed since 1766. It appears that there was some conflict about the method of succession. I suppose that agnatic primogeniture prevailed (but Semi-Salic?). Anyway, Prince Guillaume is not considered the rightful pretender to the former throne.

As for the Kingdom of Belgium, the legitimate monarch since 2013 has been His Majesty King Philippe of the Belgians, due to agnatic primogeniture, which has now been changed to absolute primogeniture.

There are a couple of others representations, but other heirs are waiting for their own stories. Let us not keep them waiting! 😉
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Heir №4: Charles-Antoine Lamoral of Ligne-La Trémoïlle (b. 1946)


He is a member of a Belgian noble family, the House of Ligne. Through his father, he is the senior genealogical representative for several claims.


I. Kingdom of Cyprus:

  1. Aimery of Cyprus (bef. 1155 - 1205), father of...
  2. Hugh I of Cyprus (1194/5 - 1218), father of...
  3. Henry I of Cyprus (1217 - 1253), father of...
  4. Hugh II of Cyprus (1252/3 - 1267), first cousin of...
  5. Hugh, Count of Brienne (c. 1240 - 1296), father of...
  6. Walter V, Count of Brienne (c. 1275 - 1311), father of...
  7. Walter VI, Count of Brienne (c. 1304 - 1356), brother of...
  8. Isabella, Countess of Brienne (1306 - 1360), mother of...
  9. Sohier, Count of Enghien (1324 - 1364), father of...
  10. Walter IV, Count of Enghien (1360 - 1381), first cousin of...
  11. Peter of Enghien (? - 1384), brother of...
  12. Mary of Enghien (1367/70 - 1446), mother of...
  13. Giovanni Antonio Del Balzo Orsini (1386/93 - 1463), uncle of...
  14. Isabella of Clermont (c. 1424 - 1465), mother of...
  15. Alfonso II of Naples (1448 - 1495), father of...
  16. Ferdinand II of Naples (1469 - 1496), brother of...
  17. Isabella of Aragon, Duchess of Milan (1470 - 1524), mother of...
  18. Bona Sforza (1494 - 1557), mother of...
  19. Sigismund II Augustus (1520 - 1572), brother of...
  20. Sophia Jagiellon, Duchess of Brunswick-Lüneburg (1522 - 1575), sister of...
  21. Anna Jagiellon (1523 - 1596), aunt of...
  22. Sigismund III Vasa (1566 - 1632), father of...
  23. Władysław IV Vasa (1595 - 1648), half-brother of...
  24. John II Casimir Vasa (1609 - 1672), fifth cousin of...
  25. Henri de La Trémoille (1598 - 1674), grandfather of...
  26. Charles Belgique Hollande de La Trémoille (1655 - 1709), father of...
  27. Charles Louis Bretagne de La Trémoille (1683 - 1719), father of...
  28. Charles Armand René de La Trémoille (1708 - 1741), father of...
  29. Jean Bretagne Charles de La Trémoille (1737 - 1792), father of...
  30. Charles Bretagne Marie de La Trémoille (1764 - 1839), father of...
  31. Louis Charles de La Trémoille (1838 - 1911), father of...
  32. Louis Charles Marie de La Trémoille (1863 - 1921), father of...
  33. Louis Jean Marie de La Trémoille (1910 - 1933), brother of...
  34. Charlotte de La Trémoille (1892 - 1971), mother of...
  35. Jean Charles Lamoral of Ligne-La Trémoïlle (1911 - 2005), father of...
  36. Charles-Antoine Lamoral of Ligne-La Trémoïlle (b. 1946).

TO BE CONTINUED...
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Heir №4: Charles-Antoine Lamoral of Ligne-La Trémoïlle (b. 1946) [Part Two]


II. Kingdom of Jerusalem (technically in Asia):

  1. Baldwin II of Jerusalem (bef. 1080 - 1131), father of...
  2. Melisende, Queen of Jerusalem (1105 - 1161), mother of...
  3. Baldwin III of Jerusalem (1130 - 1163), brother of...
  4. Amalric of Jerusalem (1136 - 1174), father of...
  5. Baldwin IV of Jerusalem (1161 - 1185), brother of...
  6. Sibylla, Queen of Jerusalem (c. 1160 - 1190), half-sister of...
  7. Isabella I of Jerusalem (1172 - 1205), mother of...
  8. Maria of Montferrat (1192 - 1212), mother of...
  9. Isabella II of Jerusalem (1212 - 1228), mother of...
  10. Conrad IV of Germany (1228 - 1254), father of...
  11. Conradin (1252 - 1268), second cousin once removed of...
  12. Hugh, Count of Brienne (c. 1240 - 1296), same as I-5.

Here is the heir to two of the most prominent Crusader realms, the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Kingdom of Cyprus. The Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia is not shown, but there are reasons for that.

It is worth noting that Hugh of Brienne did not have much luck with royal inheritance. Yes, he was apparently considered for both of the above thrones, but others prevailed. I believe that he was simply not an attractive candidate.

It is generally assumed that Charles-Antoine Lamoral is also heir to the latter monarchs of these two realms (and a representative of a couple of other individuals), but there is some controversy about that. I do intend to cover them only after I have reviewed his "rival", Patrick Guinness (incidentally, a member of this forum). 

Hopefully, the next heir is going to be someone who has been much discussed on this forum (not always in a good manner 😉 ). After that, I may start from the beginning with some lines, which I had either forgotten about or had simply not known of (thanks, Peter!).
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Heir №5: Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou (b. 1974)


He is the son of Alfonso, Duke of Anjou and Cádiz, and Carmen Martínez-Bordiú. Since 1989, he has been the so-called "Legitimist" claimant to the throne of the former Kingdom of France. Through his father, Luis Alfonso is the senior genealogical heir to several royal and noble individuals.


I. Kingdom of Spain:

  1. Philip V of Spain (1683 - 1746), father of...
  2. Ferdinand VI of Spain (1713 - 1759), half-brother of...
  3. Charles III of Spain (1716 - 1788), father of...
  4. Charles IV of Spain (1748 - 1819), father of...
  5. Ferdinand VII of Spain (1784 - 1833), father of...
  6. Isabella II of Spain (1830 - 1904), grandmother of...
  7. Alfonso XIII of Spain (1886 - 1941), father of...
  8. Infante Jaime, Duke of Segovia (1908 - 1975), father of...
  9. Alfonso, Duke of Anjou and Cádiz (1936 - 1989), father of...
  10. Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou (b. 1974).

II. Kingdom of Portugal and the Algarves:

  1. John I of Portugal (1357 - 1433), father of...
  2. Edward, King of Portugal (1391 - 1438), father of...
  3. Afonso V of Portugal (1432 - 1481), father of...
  4. John II of Portugal (1455 - 1495), first cousin of...
  5. Manuel I of Portugal (1469 - 1521), father of...
  6. John III of Portugal (1502 - 1557), grandfather of...
  7. Sebastian of Portugal (1554 - 1578), grandnephew of...
  8. Henry, King of Portugal (1512 - 1580), granduncle of...
  9. Ranuccio I Farnese, Duke of Parma (1569 - 1622), father of...
  10. Odoardo Farnese, Duke of Parma (1612 - 1646), father of...
  11. Ranuccio II Farnese, Duke of Parma (1630 - 1694), grandfather of...
  12. Elisabeth Farnese (1692 - 1766), mother of...
  13. Charles III of Spain (1716 - 1788), same as I-3.

III. Grand Duchy of Tuscany (genealogical representation only):

  1. Ferdinando I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany (1549 - 1609), father of...
  2. Cosimo II de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany (1590 - 1621), father of...
  3. Ferdinando II de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany (1610 - 1670), father of...
  4. Cosimo III de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany (1642 - 1723), father of...
  5. Gian Gastone de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany (1671 - 1737), brother of...
  6. Anna Maria Luisa de' Medici (1667 - 1743), second cousin once removed of...
  7. Elisabeth Farnese (1692 - 1766), same as II-12.


IV. Duchy of Parma (genealogical representation only):


  1. Pier Luigi Farnese, Duke of Parma (1503 - 1547), father of...
  2. Alessandro Farnese (1520 - 1589), uncle of...
  3. Alexander Farnese, Duke of Parma (1545 - 1592), father of...
  4. Ranuccio I Farnese, Duke of Parma (1569 - 1622), same as II-9.

These appear to be the representations held by Luis Alfonso. The reason why he is not King of Spain seems to be due to his grandfather's non-dynastic marriage (Infante Jaime was also deaf). There is also Francisco Franco's 1969 decision, which was more or less the correct one.

Anyway, Portugal is not an option, because Luis Alfonso is not Portuguese (or born in Portugal). Tuscany and Parma have their own pretenders: both used agnatic primogeniture. It is worth noting that the then-future Carlos III of Spain was going to be Grand Duke of Tuscany, but the title went elsewhere.

Finally, I will suggest the English succession of King Henry IV here: yes, it's Luis Alfonso, all right. He's not a legitimate descendant of that monarch, so I won't cover it here.

From this point on, this thread will be updated whenever I can. I have my ideas and I think it's going well. That's it for this week!


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I certainly agree it's been going well, all good stuff, and I look forward to your future endeavours whenever you are ready. In case anyone wonders about your final point, I will elucidate it. The senior legitimate line of descent from Henry IV's father John, Duke of Lancaster is through his eldest daughter (and child) Philippa, a full sister of Henry IV. At least it is if you disqualify Henry IV's Beaufort half-brothers as all having been born illegitimate, which generally would be uncontentious but in the special circumstances of the case is a little dubious. Anyway, Philippa married II.1 and was the mother of II.2, her eldest son, so all other inarguably legitimate chains of descent from Lancaster being from younger sisters or half-sisters of hers or from her own younger children constitutes Luis Alfonso's claim to Lancastrian representation.

There is in fact known descent from Henry IV himself, the Queen for example has it, but it all comes through an illegitimate (though again that status is contested by some) daughter of Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester, one of Henry's younger sons. Luis Alfonso's paternal grandfather disqualified himself from Spain's succession by renunciation, which was due to the deafness resulting from a botched childhood operation making him feel unequal to the task of being Spain's monarch. His subsequent undynastic marriage therefore had no effect on the matter; you can't lose again a right you have already given up. Luis Alfonso's father also married undynastically, as did he himself, but then again so did Felipe VI, such questions now being for better or worse an irrelevance.
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Thanks, Peter!

I got kind of confused about Infante Jaime: your explanation does help to clear it up. Looking at the dates, he renounced any claim in 1933 and had his first child in 1936. Perhaps he was afraid that his issue may also have his (or similar) problems.

Incidentally, I have made a rather significant change to the first post. You can now see what I have covered so far. It's hopefully going to be of use for a quick reference or something of that sort.
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Heir №1: Prince Pedro, Duke of Calabria (b. 1968) [Part Five]


XI. Latin Empire of Constantinople, etc.:


  1. Baldwin I, Latin Emperor (1172 - c. 1205), father of...
  2. Joan, Countess of Flanders (c. 1199 - 1244), sister of...
  3. Margaret II, Countess of Flanders (1202 - 1280), grandmother of...
  4. John II, Count of Holland (1247 - 1304), father of...
  5. William I, Count of Hainaut (c. 1286 - 1337), father of...
  6. William II, Count of Hainaut (1307 - 1345), brother of...
  7. Margaret II, Countess of Hainaut (1311 - 1356), mother of...
  8. Louis II, Elector of Brandenburg (1328 - 1365), brother of...
  9. William I, Duke of Bavaria (1330 - 1389), brother of...
  10. Albert I, Duke of Bavaria (1336 - 1404), father of...
  11. William II, Duke of Bavaria (1365 - 1417), father of...
  12. Jacqueline, Countess of Hainaut (1401 - 1436), first cousin of...
  13. Philip the Good (1396 - 1467), same as VII-8.


XII. Duchy of Austria (genealogical representation only):


  1. Rudolf I of Germany (1218 - 1291), father of...
  2. Albert I of Germany (1255 - 1308), father of...
  3. Frederick the Fair (c. 1289 - 1330), father of...
  4. Elisabeth of Austria (1317 - 1336), sister of...
  5. Anne of Austria, Duchess of Bavaria (1318 - 1343), first cousin of...
  6. Catherine of Austria, Lady of Coucy (1320 - 1349), mother of...
  7. Enguerrand VII, Lord of Coucy (1340 - 1397), father of...
  8. Marie I de Coucy, Countess of Soissons (1366 - 1405), mother of...
  9. Robert of Bar, Count of Marle and Soissons (1390 - 1415), father of...
  10. Jeanne of Bar, Countess of Marle and Soissons (1415 - 1462), mother of...
  11. John of Luxembourg, Count of Soissons (c. 1436 - 1476), brother of...
  12. Peter II, Count of Saint-Pol (c. 1440 - 1482), father of...
  13. Marie of Luxembourg, Countess of Vendôme (1462/72 - 1547), grandmother of...
  14. Antoine of Navarre (1518 - 1562), father of...
  15. Henry IV of France (1553 - 1610), same as I-21.


XIII. Duchy of Austria/Archduchy of Austria (genealogical representation only):


  1. Leopold III, Duke of Austria (1351 - 1386), father of...
  2. William, Duke of Austria (c. 1370 - 1406), brother of...
  3. Leopold IV, Duke of Austria (1371 - 1411), brother of...
  4. Ernest, Duke of Austria (1377 - 1424), father of...
  5. Frederick III, Holy Roman Emperor (1415 - 1493), father of...
  6. Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (1459 - 1519), grandfather of...
  7. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500 - 1558), same as II-8.

TO BE CONTINUED...
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Though I didn't bother to correct it, I realised immediately after posting my #6 that I had undercounted in the final paragraph. There is a fourth line of representation of Archdukes of Austria, the heir to which is covered in your #21 above. Then on further thought I understood that your IV in post #5 is in fact a fifth way. Now your XII in the preceding post has pointed out a sixth line, albeit correctly labelled as Dukes rather than Archdukes. I don't think there is a seventh ... anyway, thanks for the correction, even if it wasn't intended as such, and also for keeping the work going.
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