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Pope Francis demonstrates in his latest statements that he has more than simply stylistic differences with what he calls the "Vatican Court".

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/01/20769734-pope-francis-digs-at-vaticans-narcissistic-nature-calls-for-change?lite

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It all sounds very lovey-dovey but I fear that what he wants to do is eviscerate the last remaining remnants of the monarchical aspects of the Papacy (already severely curtailed by Vatican II) and I don't like it at all. He thinks the 1600 years between the conversion of Constantine and Vatican II are something to be ashamed of.
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Pope Francis has already amassed quite a collection of statements that have caused some agitation in the Vatican and beyond.

http://news.yahoo.com/casual-pope-puts-vatican-alert-quips-132010700.html

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"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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It would be nice to think that he might make a difference, but so far it's just words. Despite the theoretically tremendous powers of the Pope, the inertia of the Church is even more tremendous. I hope he is the man to reform it, but I fear that all that will happen is that he will continue to make the right sort of noises, and the Church will continue on its course regardless.
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I found this story to be extremely cute and just had to share.

http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/30/21246171-little-boy-joins-pope-francis-on-stage-refuses-to-leave?lite

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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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Neo-Conservative opinion maker Rush Limbaugh has called Pope Francis' recently expressed views on the "idolatry of money" as being Marxist.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/02/rush-limbaugh-vs-the-pope/?hpt=hp_t1

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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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I have not been enthusiastic about Pope Francis, and his views on liturgy and ceremonial would seem to be diametrically opposed to mine, but I have to admit that if he's making those who are Republicans first and Catholics second (or not at all) uncomfortable, more power to him.
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royalcello: Agree,there's a great commentary on these attacks on the Pope in the American Conservative:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/would-someone-just-shut-that-pope-up/
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Something else to be humble about. Actually so far I've liked Pope Francis a great deal better than I expected to, as while the humility may be overdone his concern for people appears to be genuine and not filtered by ideology, in contrast to his immediate predecessors.
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Something else to be humble about. Actually so far I've liked Pope Francis a great deal better than I expected to, as while the humility may be overdone his concern for people appears to be genuine and not filtered by ideology, in contrast to his immediate predecessors.

I think he is a wonderful PR man. By and large, his comments have been restatements of century-old Catholic doctrine, yet he is revered by many as a great visionary and reformer. I do like his obvious interest in the conditions of the poor, although his apparent distaste for tradition and the trappings of the faith disappoints me.

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Pope Francis appoints moderate Donald Cardinal Wuerl of Wsahington D.C. to replace conservative Raymond Cardinal Burke, former Archbishop of St. Louis, on the Congregation for Bishops, an important office in the Vatican.  Raymond Cardinal Burke is a leading conservative voice in the church and is famous for criticising Cardinal Wuerl and other moderates for allowing politicians who support abortion rights to continue to receive the sacraments of the church.  Cardinal Burke retains his seat as the head of the Vatican's high court.  Way back in the beginning of this thread when I announced white smoke was spewing from the chimney and the new pope was about to make his first appearance, our friend Aaron Traas had voiced his hope that it would be Cardinal Burke and that he would take the name Pius XIII.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/17/21938742-pope-francis-out-with-the-conservative-cardinal-in-with-the-moderate?lite

http://www.whig.com/story/24234764/pope-changes-roster-at-influential-vatican-office

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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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Liberal friends are passing this around and I can understand why he is so popular.

http://distractify.com/people/reasons-why-pope-francis-is-the-person-of-the-year/

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Something else to be humble about. Actually so far I've liked Pope Francis a great deal better than I expected to, as while the humility may be overdone his concern for people appears to be genuine and not filtered by ideology, in contrast to his immediate predecessors.


I think he is a wonderful PR man. By and large, his comments have been restatements of century-old Catholic doctrine, yet he is revered by many as a great visionary and reformer. I do like his obvious interest in the conditions of the poor, although his apparent distaste for tradition and the trappings of the faith disappoints me.


He has to be very careful not to step over the line. Socialism is anathema to many Catholics, including myself, who have been reared on a diet of anti-Communism and Catholic participation in anti-Communist struggle. And socialism continues to wreck havoc on places like Venezuela (where even the Church has been impacted by shortages) and Zimbabwe...

Remember that Pope Francis comes from a region where there has been heavy Leftist penetration of the Church in the clock of "Liberation Theology". I do believe the Pope has no more time for it than any of us.
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The pope had a very difficult relationship with the political left when he was Archbishop in Buenos Aires so David is quite right.  I don't think his concern for the poor, criticsm of capitalism and his "low church" approach (for lack of a better term) should automatically earn him a socialist label.  John Paul II was not very "high church", nor did he hold back on criticism of capitalism, but he was far from a socialist either.  Pope Francis is growing on me, although his "low church" approach to liturgy and ceremonial continues to disappoint me. 
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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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So we are learning that when Pope Francis came in second during the papal conclave that eventually elected Pope Benedict XVI, he intended to use the name Pope John XXIV had he been elected.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2557827/Pope-Francis-nearly-Pope-John-Pontiff-wanted-reformist-Good-Pope-Sixties.html

Polling the Roman Catholic faithful has had mixed results apparently.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-pope-francis-catholics-perspec-0212-jm-20140212,0,2468990.story

Pope Francis and the various forms of American Conservative Catholicism ...interesting...

http://theweek.com/article/index/256251/what-do-conservative-catholics-want-from-pope-francis

An interesting analogy of Popes Benedict XVI and Francis to the sisters Mary and Martha.

http://www.aleteia.org/en/religion/article/francis-and-benedict-mary-and-martha-popes-5289969820106752

A not so friendly look at Pope Francis and his way with words...

http://theweek.com/article/index/256252/pope-francis-insult-comic

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The Lion of Judah hath prevailed.

Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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