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Pope Francis, who must have been concerned with his lack of popularity in some monarchist circles, is for once doing something we can all get behind with the beatification of Queen Maria Christina of the Two Sicilies (1812-1836):
http://www.romereports.com/palio/pope-francis-gives-beatification-approval-for-italian-queen-lay-woman-english-9936.html
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Interesting commentary I didn't see in March:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-nickels/the-modernist-new-pope-a-concern-for-traditional-catholics_b_2936673.html

 

Jovan will like this, as I did:

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"The pope may be indeed humble in other matters, not when it comes to liturgy. When it comes to liturgy, to the rites and ceremonial of the Church, the humble attitude is to follow the traditional code, the prescribed rubrics or custom, even if that's not what you would like best. To impose one's will, one's personal preference, even if one is the Pope, over the established ceremonial of the Church is not humble attitude by any means."

 

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Very interesting reports of a possible exorcism by Pope Francis after Sunday mass at St. Peter's Basilica last weekend.  The Vatican is denying that the Pope "intended to carry out" an exorcism but the story refuses to die as video and photographs of the encounter spread as well. 

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/21/vatican-pope-didnt-perform-exorcism/?hpt=hp_t3

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/pope-devil-francis-obsession-satan-leads-suspicion-performed-112850130.html


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Could we get him to lay hands on Dr. K. Jefferts Schori?
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I take it you've heard of her latest "Diversity, not Jesus, saves" silliness. Not that I really care what silly girls playing dress-up say.
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I take it you've heard of her latest "Diversity, not Jesus, saves" silliness. Not that I really care what silly girls playing dress-up say.


Wow!  I hadn't seen anything about this at all.  What has the reaction been from the other bishops of the Episcopal church?  Her negative interpretation of St. Paul casting the demons out of the slave girl is very troubling, but her statement that salvation comes  "not from being cleansed of our sins by the atoning sacrificial death of Jesus Christ, but through the divinization of humanity through the work of the human will" to quote the article would be regarded as heresey by most Christian churches.

I haven't really followed much about Dr. Schori, but I am quite shocked.  The idea of female bishops is quite alien to me, and seeing her wearing episcopal regalia (even the hideous modernist versions she favours) was just too jarring for me.  This speech (I hesitate to call it a sermon) is just horrifying.

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Could we get him to lay hands on Dr. K. Jefferts Schori?


Perhaps a laying on of hands by Pope Francis would be helpful, but since Dr. Schori evidently has a problem with the driving out of demons from women even by St. Paul himself, she might not take kindly to the suggestion.

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There has been plenty of criticism, but I doubt anything will come of it. I think the people most upset by KJS are those who do believe in women's ordination but are otherwise relatively conservative and want to hear something resembling Christianity. Since I don't regard her as a real bishop (or priest) anyway, it would be hard for anything she said to shock me. (Actually I would be shocked if she said something I agreed with.)
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I wish clergy would stick more to ritual and less to talking.
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For such people to call themselves "Christian" is akin to false advertising on a grand scale. It stokes the flames of indignation and rage in the hearts of sincere Christians like myself.
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I also wish that the clergy would stick more to ritual and do less talking, especially politics. Actions speak louder than words. But that will never happen. The clergy have been involved in politics since time immemorial, as long as they've been involved in ritual. It makes you appreciate the contemplative monastic orders.
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Agreed, though again I don't regard KJS as actual clergy.

An example of a real bishop who would do well to shut up about politics is the new Archbishop of Canterbury, who recently made headlines for grandly announcing that British taxpayers should spend even more on foreign aid.

Sometimes I don't know what I'm doing in this Communion. But then I look at Pope Francis, and everyone here knows what I think of him...

 

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I also wish that the clergy would stick more to ritual and do less talking, especially politics. Actions speak louder than words. But that will never happen. The clergy have been involved in politics since time immemorial, as long as they've been involved in ritual. It makes you appreciate the contemplative monastic orders.


But isn't it also the role of the Church, the role of religion, also very much a social and cultural one? I strive to apply the Catholic worldview and social perspectives to pretty much all issues. Not just the usual domestic social issues but all worldly matters. Advocacy of monarchism is an expression of the Catholic worldview for me, promotion of traditional values and advocacy for forces of good against evil regardless of whether it involves Catholicism, at least in the name of justice, is also to me an intrinsic part of this worldview. I make the point that you simply cannot focus exclusively on one aspect of faith, politics, culture and society without others, for what is a car or plane without its engine (not the best analogy) or vice versa?
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I basically agree in principle; the problem is that most clergy today (whether Catholic or Anglican) are not on our side, so it would be better if they avoided politics altogether.
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I take it you've heard of her latest "Diversity, not Jesus, saves" silliness. Not that I really care what silly girls playing dress-up say.

I knew the Episcopalian Church in the US was rather liberal-leaning, but...

"The Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church has denounced the Apostle Paul as mean-spirited and bigoted for having released a slave girl from demonic bondage as reported in Acts 16:16-34."

I just felt I should register my disbelief that a member of the Christian clergy could go ahead and argue with St. Paul himself. Those complaining about excessive liberalism in the Church of England ought to consider themselves lucky if their American co-religionists are anything to go by.

No disrespect meant to Theodore or any of our other Episcopalian posters, of course.

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Don't worry, no offense taken. I know perfectly well that my continued involvement in The Episcopal Church despite not agreeing with WO or all sorts of other things is problematic. My thriving, relatively conservative parish in Dallas is hardly typical.
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