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The son of the Infanta Elena and her ex-husband Jaime de Marichalar, 13 year old Felipe Juan Froilan de Marichalar y Borbon (popularly known as Froilan), shot himself in the foot at his father's country estate while evidently learning how to hunt.  Young Froilan was treated at a local hospital and is doing well, but the incident has cause some controversy over the fact that Froilan is under the legal age to be using a firearm, and has raised the additional ire of animal rights activists who object to Jaime de Marichalar teaching a boy who is 5th in line to the Spanish throne to kill animals.

Young Don Felipe Juan Froilan had an earlier bout of fame when he was caught on camera kicking one of his cousins during the wedding of his uncle the Prince of Asturias.

http://royalnewsblog.com/2012/04/spanish-kings-grandson-shoots-himself-in-foot/

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I have to call that boy a rascal.
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That's a bit harsh. He was five when the cousin-kicking incident happened, and surely didn't mean to shoot himself in the foot. It is his father who will be in trouble for that, and rightly so, as he was too young by law to be handling a firearm in the first place. The obnoxious sanctimony of animal rights activists can be disregarded, but not the law of the land, which seems a perfectly sensible one to me.
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That's a bit harsh. He was five when the cousin-kicking incident happened, and surely didn't mean to shoot himself in the foot. It is his father who will be in trouble for that, and rightly so, as he was too young by law to be handling a firearm in the first place. The obnoxious sanctimony of animal rights activists can be disregarded, but not the law of the land, which seems a perfectly sensible one to me.

I learned to shoot at about 8 or 9 and I'm the better man for it. Of course, I never shot myself in the foot or accidentally killed my brother as this young man's grandfather did. Maybe the Borbons should simply be banned from handling firearms.

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Seems very young to me, but I'm sure your father knew what he was about. As an illustration of the interesting results that random thought processes can lead to, never having heard of young Froilan before I naturally looked him up. He currently stands fifth in line, as observed above. When eventually the Spanish get round to changing to equal primogeniture, which will be either when other constitutional changes are to be made and this can be packaged with them, or sooner if events necessitate, which would be if the Princess of Asturias had a son (unlikely, but not yet out of the question), he would still be fifth (sixth in the latter case).

However, had that change been made a good deal earlier he would be second after his mother, and she would be in her own right Princess of Asturias and he, presumably, Infante rather than Don Felipe. Which led on one hand to further musing on the muddles unnecessary changes to succession law create, and on the other to wondering when and how the title Prince of Asturias came to be adopted for the heir.

And that led believe it or not back to that bizarre Welsh Monarchy thread. I had observed there that the Welsh kings came to call themselves princes instead not through English imposition but by their own choice, and that therefore the title Prince of Wales was a native rather than English usage; one indeed that the English adopted for the briefly-existing title Prince of Aquitaine (which I wish had continued, purely for the purposes of winding up the French).

And, it turns out, that the Spanish adopted also. How this came about was in the competition for Castile between John of Gaunt and Juan I of Castile. John claimed in right of his wife Constance, elder daughter of Pedro the Cruel. It was a solid claim, as she was lineal heiress and the Castilian and other Spanish crowns had passed to and by females before. Not however as solid as the position of Juan, son of Enrique II, a bastard half-brother of the justly-named Pedro who, to general applause, had killed his brother and predecessor and taken the throne.

The question was settled by the marriage of the only surviving child of John and Constance, their daughter Catherine, to the future Enrique III, Juan's son and heir. One of the provisions of the 1388 Treaty of Bayonne that sealed the deal was that Enrique and Catherine should bear the title Prince and Princess of Asturias, specifically stated to be "in the manner of Wales". And so it has been ever since, the custom continuing on the merger of the Spanish kingdoms (though the Prince or Princess of Asturias customarily bears titles associated with the other constituent kingdoms also, Prince of Asturias is the headline title, as it were, and the only one specifically mentioned in article 57 (2) of the Spanish Constitution).

So, the root of the title Prince of Asturias lies in the chanceries of Wales in the 1160s. A strange thing to discover from a young boy, to whom I wish a speedy recovery and no lasting damage, accidentally shooting himself in the foot in another country.
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Thanks Peter.
You really should do a book.


BTW
Those Spaniards upset with this would have had a conniption fit if they had known (and I had mattered to them) that at about 5 or 6 I had to shoot my own dog...

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I learned to shoot at about 8 or 9 and I'm the better man for it. Of course, I never shot myself in the foot or accidentally killed my brother as this young man's grandfather did. Maybe the Borbons should simply be banned from handling firearms.


Jovan isn't the only person to be reminded by this incident of the accidental shooting death of the 14 year old Infante Alfonso by the then Infante Juan Carlos at Estoril.  The Count of Barcelona is said to have taken the death of his younger son very hard and to have been very hard on Juan Carlos for many years as a result.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127776/Spanish-King-Juan-Carlos-grandson-Felipe-Juan-Froilan-shoots-foot.html

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Well I do not know what to make of it
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I am not a hunter, but even I had my first experience hunting and firing a gun before the age 13. ( I was 11 on my first and last hunting experience, though unlike the young prince I did not shoot myself in the foot, I just didn't succeed in shooting any of the ducks either -_-). I suppose laws are laws, but it just seems like a fairly silly one.
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Well I am friend with a nice guy who father is a hunter(not his job) and he have guns in the house. The father is more then less seriously when it comes to the guns. So wile we have seen and touch the guns, they where without bullets and that is what I think guns should be handled with children.
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Well I am friend with a nice guy who father is a hunter(not his job) and he have guns in the house. The father is more then less seriously when it comes to the guns. So wile we have seen and touch the guns, they where without bullets and that is what I think guns should be handled with children.

Have to disagree. My father was dead serious about guns! From the age of eight I regularly shot .22 calibre rifles and .410 bore shotguns. I was taught to check that the gun was unloaded, unless we were in the field and to NEVER point the gun at ANYTHING unless I planned on shooting it, even if I had checked and 'knew' it was unloaded.

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Well I am friend with a nice guy who father is a hunter(not his job) and he have guns in the house. The father is more then less seriously when it comes to the guns. So wile we have seen and touch the guns, they where without bullets and that is what I think guns should be handled with children.

Have to disagree. My father was dead serious about guns! From the age of eight I regularly shot .22 calibre rifles and .410 bore shotguns. I was taught to check that the gun was unloaded, unless we were in the field and to NEVER point the gun at ANYTHING unless I planned on shooting it, even if I had checked and 'knew' it was unloaded.


Well then you had a competent dad. Too bad there are not many of them.

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