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DavidV

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I normally try and steer a middle course in the Arab-Israeli conflict as I have both Arab and Jewish friends. I just fear the worst in terms of conflict and its potential to spread.

Israel withdrew from Gaza, giving them the "freedom" they claim to want, except that Hamas rule isn't freedom at all. As Peter Hitchens said a couple of years ago, they should have made the most of what they have to at least make Gaza a liveable place. Instead, we see people who continue to seek destruction and people who seek to exploit the suffering for propaganda.

Not that I can condone many of Israel's actions either (after all, I think it should leave Gaza and the West Bank alone). But to ignite tensions at a time when many countries are dealing with a myriad of problems is just a bad thing. Will this ever end in our lifetimes?

Israel has also become a punching bag for the Left. Now, in the West today, one cannot dissent from left-liberal orthodoxy about multiculturalism, immigration and PC without being called a "racist" or even "fascist" or "Nazi". And here it becomes more difficult, since this has been the problem faced by Europe and the Western world in general since World War II.

The least I think we can do now is pray for peace.
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There are those of us who argue with you about multiculturalism, immigration and PC, and don't call you names. But we just get ignored. You still shouldn't say that being called names is the only consequence pf your statements, because it isn't true. Reasoned and polite arguments are put up that you just take no notice of.
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In recent times, the Palestinian cause has become a favourite causes of "progressives" who seek to demonise Israel, and who frankly are being useful idiots for an even more dangerous and aggressive cause. So Israel is accused of being some kind of oppressive and racialist state, despite the unequalled freedoms enjoyed by religious minorities and gays. And the anti-Israel movement does contain a frightening amount of hate for a cause championed by the supposedly "anti-racist" Left.

Ironically, the likes of the ADL and SPLC are in no small part to blame.
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This isn't about rockets. Netanyahu is trying to embarass obama by escalating tensions.
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Someone, please enlighten me. I don't know much about the recent situation of the Arab-Israeli Conflict especially in Gaza. How long has Hamas been firing rockets at Israel? and how long has Israel been launching airstrikes on the Gaza Strip? Did Hamas fire those rockets only as a response to Israeli airstrike that kills its military chief?
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http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2012/11/reflections-on-gaza.html

Peter Hitchens is as usual right on the money. Given that Egypt, Turkey and Qatar are generally more sympathetic, will they be called upon to restrain the Hamas regime in Gaza?

All I want is a peaceful solution that will not involve enormous human cost, and that people can find a way to live together. But far more than any errors made after 1918, this is even harder to unscramble.
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I normally try and steer a middle course in the Arab-Israeli conflict as I have both Arab and Jewish friends.


While I, too, have both Jewish and Arab friends, I don't. I volunteered for the IDF in the the 1967 War. They turned me down because I'm a Goy and suggested I should join the Magen David Adam instead. I chose not to, since my aim was to kill the enemies of the West.

In the Yom Kippur War, I was a bit older and the married father of a young child so I organised a blood drive for the IDF, knowing that even if I volunteered, I would be turned down.

Israel, the ONLY Western country in the Levant stands firm for civilisation whilst its neighbours are dedicated to the destruction of everything we have built over the past two thousand years. 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20349280

I normally try and steer a middle course in the Arab-Israeli conflict as I have both Arab and Jewish friends.


While I, too, have both Jewish and Arab friends, I don't. I volunteered for the IDF in the the 1967 War. They turned me down because I'm a Goy and suggested I should join the Magen David Adam instead. I chose not to, since my aim was to kill the enemies of the West.

In the Yom Kippur War, I was a bit older and the married father of a young child so I organised a blood drive for the IDF, knowing that even if I volunteered, I would be turned down.

Israel, the ONLY Western country in the Levant stands firm for civilisation whilst its neighbours are dedicated to the destruction of everything we have built over the past two thousand years. 


Not only Israel, but also the Maronite population of Lebanon who resisted both Syria and the PLO occupying their territory.

When I say I favour a "middle course", it means that I defend Israel's right to exist and defend itself. It also can be argued that perfectly reasonable solutions have been dismissed- like the "Jordan option" of reverting to the pre-1967 status quo. As with the problems of Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, it dates back to the completely slovenly dismemberment of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire in 1920, Ottoman misrule of the region notwithstanding.

And since this is a monarchist forum, we are also reminded that the downfall of the Egyptian and Iranian monarchies also complicated things.
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I normally try and steer a middle course in the Arab-Israeli conflict as I have both Arab and Jewish friends.
While I, too, have both Jewish and Arab friends, I don't. I volunteered for the IDF in the the 1967 War. They turned me down because I'm a Goy and suggested I should join the Magen David Adam instead. I chose not to, since my aim was to kill the enemies of the West.

In the Yom Kippur War, I was a bit older and the married father of a young child so I organised a blood drive for the IDF, knowing that even if I volunteered, I would be turned down.

Israel, the ONLY Western country in the Levant stands firm for civilisation whilst its neighbours are dedicated to the destruction of everything we have built over the past two thousand years.;


I understand "enemies of the west" as having been because the soviet union backed the arab armies, but i have a feeling that you interpret it differently..
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