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ContraTerrentumEQR

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Why not establish a Spanish viceroy again ? I believe it a matter of justice that the Southwestern territories claimed by the United States be acknowledged as lands under the sovereignty of the King of Spain. I do not know of the arguments for the Louisiana Territory, but I am currently under the impression that it is rightfully the possession of the King of France. Now, if the King of France and King of Spain happen to be the same man, that would essentially re-establish a de facto Catholic Western Roman Empire under the dominion of Louis XX. The rightful American territories of the King of Spain :

+ Old Mexico (including Alta California, Nuevo Mexico, and Coahuila y Texas)
+ The Philippines
+ Guam
+ Central America
+ Ecuador
+ Peru
+ Bolivia
+ Chile
+ Argentina
+ Venezuela
+ Uruguay
+ Colombia
+ Puerto Rico
+ Cuba
+ The various Caribbean islands, such as the Dominican Republic, to which Spain has an historical claim.

The lands that are the rightful territorial possessions, or wherein the right would be acquired through a restoration to the throne, of the King of France :

+ The Territoire Louisiane
+ Guadaloupe
+ Haiti
+ Martinique
+ Saint-Domingue
+ Guadaloupe

These lands would be ruled by means of vice-regency, I presume. In any case, objective sovereign authority cannot be expunged by subjective self-determination silliness.

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The Floridas are rightfully dominions of the British Monarch.

The Spanish King's claim to the Southwest (and Mexico) is rather compromised by the various Mexican Empires.




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I don't mean to sound defeatist, or detract from the enthusiasm of our own esteemed Panamanian representative TheRoyalist, but we have to pick our battles.  I think monarchists may have to accept Spanish-speaking Latin America as lost.  Even Pope Gregory XVI (not known for his compromises with liberalism) did.  Let's focus on Brazil, which at least had its own monarchy for 67 years following independence, though sadly even that seems to be a long shot...


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I truly believe Mexico would have been great had they remained an Empire.


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I don't mean to sound defeatist, or detract from the enthusiasm of our own esteemed Panamanian representative TheRoyalist, but we have to pick our battles.  I think monarchists may have to accept Spanish-speaking Latin America as lost.  Even Pope Gregory XVI (not known for his compromises with liberalism) did.  Let's focus on Brazil, which at least had its own monarchy for 67 years following independence, though sadly even that seems to be a long shot...

Most monarchial restorations in the Western world would appear to be a long shot right now. But who can tell what the future will be bring? The future will certainly surprise us and change, for better or worse, could well come upon us in an instant. I am confident that the modern era of republicanism will pass.

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The last issue of Majesty magazine had a good article about Emperor Maximilian which may be of interest.

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Their Imperial Majesties the Emperor Maximilian, Archduke of Austria and Hungary, and Empress Carlotta of Saxe-Coburg, Princess of Belgium

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I am currently reading "Noticias del Imperio" written by Fernando del Paso,a good read about the Mexican empire to those lucky enough to have Spanish as mother language,pretty long book by the way,and very detailed,not just focusing on the Imperial point of view,but on the republican side too,they are there for something,even if such parts are not of my liking

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If it is a really good book, perhaps you'd be able to translate it for those of us who know very little Spanish....



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but del Paso portrays Maximillian as incapable,and Carlota as being mad......
so is not everything good in the book,but it has been called the best Mexican novel ever


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The crown of Mexico was offered to Fernando VII in the Plan de Iguala, but Fernando VII did not accept and ordered the Spanish royal family not to accept this crown. The New Spain did not had a revolution from Fernando VII . and at the end the best way to proceed was to crown a noble Mexican it was so accepted in europe than years later HIM Maximilian I adopted the Iturbide heirs and there was also an adoption of a orphan indian prince.

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Almost June 19 2009, Long live our Emperor Maximiliano I !!!!
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Almost June 19 2009, Long live our Emperor Maximiliano I !!!!


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I don't mean to sound defeatist, or detract from the enthusiasm of our own esteemed Panamanian representative TheRoyalist, but we have to pick our battles.  I think monarchists may have to accept Spanish-speaking Latin America as lost.  Even Pope Gregory XVI (not known for his compromises with liberalism) did.  Let's focus on Brazil, which at least had its own monarchy for 67 years following independence, though sadly even that seems to be a long shot...



Things seem difficult but times always bring changes, the latin american countries have tried democracy, dictatorships, socialism and I think is not so bad to think that one day our countries will have peace and progress under a good Monarch. Greetings from Mexico
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I just saw Juarez (1939) movie, its a good movie to show to other mexicans.
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