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I would like to know whether the Catholic members of this forum want a Catholic to be elected Shah of Kurdistan, despite Kurdistan being a majority Muslim country.
I'm a claimant to the Kurdish throne. Matthew J Taylor has proposed electing me Shah of Kurdistan, because I'm a Kurd, who is descended from a German noble house.
The Chaldean Catholic Church is the Uniate branch of the Church of the East. I'm considering converting to Chaldean Catholicism, because the Assyrian Church of the East refuses to use the Kurdish language and because I recently have discovered that the Assyrian Church of the East isn't iconoclast.
My sister has converted to Chaldean Catholicism, because the Assyrian Church of the East refuses to use the Kurdish language.
The Assyrian Church of the East and the Chaldean Catholic Church both use the Assyrian language as the main liturgical language, but the Chaldean Catholic Church doesn't refuse to use the Kurdish language, unlike the Assyrian Church of the East. 
The Assyrian Church of the East abolished the use of icons in order to not antagonize the Muslims, not because of the Second Commandment. I'm opposed to the use of icons of God the Father, but I'm not opposed to the use of icons of Jesus. Rather a Papist than a Dhimmi!
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I think it would make more sense if any potential monarch of Kurdistan were a Sunni Moslem, as that is by far the majority religious affiliation of the population. That's not to say that an individual professing a minority religious affiliation ought to be disregarded, only that any potential monarch would probably have more support if he professed the religion of the majority of the population.

I think it's a bit premature  of you to lay claim to the throne of Kurdistan. If there are any Ayyubid descendants of Saladin, or his brother al Adil yet extant, they would surely have a better claim. If you are so inclined, perhaps at some point in the future you could seek out a bride who has some Ayyubid lineage, and this would certainly fortify your claim.

I doubt that converting to Chaldean Catholicism would be of much benefit to you in asserting a claim to the potential Kurdistan kingdom. However, all is not lost.  In the Ninawa Plains district of northern Iraq, which adjoins Iraqi Kurdistan, Christians of various affiliations (Assyriac [Nestorian] Church of the East, Chaldean Catholics, Syriac Catholics, and Syriac Apostolic Orthodox), prior to ISIL's occupation of the district, were a slight majority of the population. There were also Yazidis, and Sunni and Shiite Moslems. The ethnic composition of that district was also very diverse, with Arameans, Arabs, Kurds, Turkmen, and possibly others living there. The recent warfare there created many refugees, and I don't know if eastern Christians are still a majority there. But if your claim to the throne of Kurdistan proves problematical, perhaps you could look into the possibility of initiating some sort of local dynasty in the Ninawa Plains.


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I think it would make more sense if any potential monarch of Kurdistan were a Sunni Moslem, as that is by far the majority religious affiliation of the population. That's not to say that an individual professing a minority religious affiliation ought to be disregarded, only that any potential monarch would probably have more support if he professed the religion of the majority of the population.

I think it's a bit premature  of you to lay claim to the throne of Kurdistan. If there are any Ayyubid descendants of Saladin, or his brother al Adil yet extant, they would surely have a better claim. If you are so inclined, perhaps at some point in the future you could seek out a bride who has some Ayyubid lineage, and this would certainly fortify your claim.

I doubt that converting to Chaldean Catholicism would be of much benefit to you in asserting a claim to the potential Kurdistan kingdom. However, all is not lost.  In the Ninawa Plains district of northern Iraq, which adjoins Iraqi Kurdistan, Christians of various affiliations (Assyriac [Nestorian] Church of the East, Chaldean Catholics, Syriac Catholics, and Syriac Apostolic Orthodox), prior to ISIL's occupation of the district, were a slight majority of the population. There were also Yazidis, and Sunni and Shiite Moslems. The ethnic composition of that district was also very diverse, with Arameans, Arabs, Kurds, Turkmen, and possibly others living there. The recent warfare there created many refugees, and I don't know if eastern Christians are still a majority there. But if your claim to the throne of Kurdistan proves problematical, perhaps you could look into the possibility of initiating some sort of local dynasty in the Ninawa Plains.


I don't claim to be the Shah of Kurdistan, because I haven't been elected Shah of Kurdistan yet. But I claim to be eligible to be elected Shah of Kurdistan.
Most Muslim Kurds support secularism and religious tolerance. The Shah not sharing the religious affiliation of the majority of his subjects isn't a problem, unless the Shah tries to force his subjects to convert to his religion. I'm a staunch supporter of religious freedom. I will never try to force Muslim Kurds to convert to Christianity, if I'm elected Shah of Kurdistan. 
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What the......?

Sorry what ?
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What the......?

Sorry what ?

I'm not an impostor. I don't claim to be the Shah of Kurdistan. I merely claim to be eligible to be elected Shah of Kurdistan. Sovereignty over Kurdistan belongs to the Kurdish people. 
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So long as Azadi simply puts his name forward as a potential future Shah and doesn't claim an existing legitimacy, there's little anyone can do to undermine him, since he really isn't claiming much.
As for whether I would prefer him to be Catholic or Nestorian, I am quite torn.
On the one hand, I do believe Nestorianism to be a poor Christology.
On the other hand, I do believe the Roman Pope to be at least an antichrist if not The AntiChrist.
Overall, I think I would prefer the Azadist Shah to be  Eastern Catholic than Nestorian, though I doubt that either help his claim and would prefer of course the adoption of the Reformed faith by the Kurds, along with any future Shah.

As for whether I myself am sufficient Catholic to answer this question, as an adherent of the Apostles and Nicene Creeds, I confess membership of the "Catholic Church" in some sense and am in communication with Charles Coulombe regarding the possibility of myself in fact being labelled Scoto-Catholic.
Scoto-Catholic would appear from what I've read to cover both my Reformed and High views but my (admittedly unusual) views on a Mixed Polity (Laity, Presbytery, Episcopy) and Credobaptist stance have as yet prevented me from adopting a simple label.

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So long as Azadi simply puts his name forward as a potential future Shah and doesn't claim an existing legitimacy, there's little anyone can do to undermine him, since he really isn't claiming much.
As for whether I would prefer him to be Catholic or Nestorian, I am quite torn.
On the one hand, I do believe Nestorianism to be a poor Christology.
On the other hand, I do believe the Roman Pope to be at least an antichrist if not The AntiChrist.
Overall, I think I would prefer the Azadist Shah to be  Eastern Catholic than Nestorian, though I doubt that either help his claim and would prefer of course the adoption of the Reformed faith by the Kurds, along with any future Shah.

As for whether I myself am sufficient Catholic to answer this question, as an adherent of the Apostles and Nicene Creeds, I confess membership of the "Catholic Church" in some sense and am in communication with Charles Coulombe regarding the possibility of myself in fact being labelled Scoto-Catholic.
Scoto-Catholic would appear from what I've read to cover both my Reformed and High views but my (admittedly unusual) views on a Mixed Polity (Laity, Presbytery, Episcopy) and Credobaptist stance have as yet prevented me from adopting a simple label.

I didn't intend to exclude non-Catholics from this thread, despite asking for the opinion of the Catholic members of this forum on my claim to the Kurdish throne.
Are you considering converting to the Scottish Episcopal Church?
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On the other hand, I do believe the Roman Pope to be at least an antichrist if not The AntiChrist.


If by "the Roman Pope" you mean the person of Jorge Bergoglio, and not the office of the papacy, it would hard for any serious Catholic to disagree here...
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If by "the Roman Pope" you mean the person of Jorge Bergoglio, and not the office of the papacy, it would hard for any serious Catholic to disagree here...

I too prefer Ratzinger to Bergoglio. Ratzinger is my favourite Pope. He is a staunch traditionalist, who supports friendly relations with the Eastern churches.
Pope John Paul II admitted that Nestorian Christology isn't heretical in 1994. The Christology of Anselm of Canterbury is Antiochene. Anselm emphasizes the distinction between the divine nature of Jesus Christ and the human nature of Jesus Christ, while at the same time emphasizing the unity of the person of Jesus Christ. The Christology of Luther is Alexandrian. Luther affirms communicatio idiomatum.
I have changed my mind on aniconism, because I have discovered that Nestorius didn't support iconoclasm. The Assyrian Church of the East is aniconist, because it wanted to appease the Muslims, not because of the Second Commandment. I have never considered making icons of Jesus to be heretical, but I consider making icons of God the Father to be heretical.
I dislike Filioque, but I don't consider it to be heretical. I agree with the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity on Filioque. Filioque is about the procession of the Holy Spirit rather than the origin of the Holy Spirit according to the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. Filioque was removed from the Nicene Creed in the Chaldean Catholic Church in 2007. I'm not opposed to Filioque being part of the Nicene Creed in the Latin Church.
I support Papal supremacy and the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

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I didn't intend to exclude non-Catholics from this thread, despite asking for the opinion of the Catholic members of this forum on my claim to the Kurdish throne.
Are you considering converting to the Scottish Episcopal Church?

I have considered it but doubt it since I hold my staunchly reformed soteriology over my views on ecclesiology.
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If by "the Roman Pope" you mean the person of Jorge Bergoglio, and not the office of the papacy, it would hard for any serious Catholic to disagree here...

I'm afraid to say that I would hold that opinion of any Pope of Rome, not just the liberal ones.
Whilst some are better than other, all are, in my view, taking attention to themselves that is better directed to the Lord himself.

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