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If Kurdistan becomes a monarchy, I will prefer a Spanish-style inauguration to a coronation, because I want Kurdistan to be a secular state, and an inauguration is more appropriate for a secular monarchy than a coronation. But the Shah of Kurdistan ought to wear the crown of Kurdistan during his inauguration. The King of Spain sadly doesn't wear the crown of Spain during his inauguration.
The crown of Kurdistan shall consist of solid gold and it shall be adorned with diamonds, rubies and emeralds, because the flag of Kurdistan is a red-white-green tricolor.
Britain is the only current European monarchy, which crowns its monarch. The Kaisers of Germany and the kings of Italy were never crowned. The Tsar of Russia was crowned in an elaborate Orthodox Christian ceremony.
If the Church of England is disestablished, Britain ought to introduce a Spanish-style inauguration of the king. The British king ought to wear the crown during the inauguration. 
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The Church of England is about as likely to be disestablished as it is to pick an Archbishop of Canterbury worth paying a moment's attention to. So we'll stick with coronations, thanks, which is my preference anyway.
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The Church of England is about as likely to be disestablished as it is to pick an Archbishop of Canterbury worth paying a moment's attention to. So we'll stick with coronations, thanks, which is my preference anyway.

I don't dislike coronations. If the Russian monarchy is restored, I support the Tsar of Russia being crowned by the Patriarch of Moscow.

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Despite being a secularist, I'm not opposed to the existence of established Christian churches, if the state grants freedom of religion, including the right to change religion, and grants all citizens equal rights regardless of religious affiliation. But bishops of the Church of England being ex officio members of the House of Lords are unacceptable, and Prince Charles ought to be allowed to convert to Orthodox Christianity without having to abdicate. 
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Despite being an atheist, I'm not opposed to the existence of established Christian churches either, on the same conditions. The Act of Settlement and Acts of Union require the monarch to be in communion with the Church of England as by law established, and I see no reason to change this historically-rooted requirement. I highly doubt that the Prince has the slightest thought of converting to Orthodoxy in any case.
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Despite being an atheist, I'm not opposed to the existence of established Christian churches either, on the same conditions. The Act of Settlement and Acts of Union require the monarch to be in communion with the Church of England as by law established, and I see no reason to change this historically-rooted requirement. I highly doubt that the Prince has the slightest thought of converting to Orthodoxy in any case.

The Church of England can remain the established church of England if the Act of Settlement is amended in order to allow Prince Charles to convert to Orthodox Christianity. The Church of England remained the established church of England during the reign of King James II and VII, who was a Roman Catholic.
I support expelling the bishops from the House of Lords, even if the House of Lords isn't abolished.
No clergymen are ex officio members of the parliaments of Greece, Finland, Denmark, Norway and Iceland, which are countries with established Christian churches.
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The Church of England will remain the established church without your opinion being consulted. And the bishops will remain in the Lords, ditto. Greece, Finland, Denmark, Norway and Iceland can do as they please, and we will do as we please. And what's this sudden bee in your bonnet about the Prince of Wales's craving to convert to some flavour of Orthodoxy? Regardless, if he were to do that he could not become monarch, which will continue to be the legal position. Once again, without your preferences being taken into account on the matter.
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The Church of England will remain the established church without your opinion being consulted. And the bishops will remain in the Lords, ditto. Greece, Finland, Denmark, Norway and Iceland can do as they please, and we will do as we please. And what's this sudden bee in your bonnet about the Prince of Wales's craving to convert to some flavour of Orthodoxy? Regardless, if he were to do that he could not become monarch, which will continue to be the legal position. Once again, without your preferences being taken into account on the matter.

I'm an Eastern Christian. No current monarch being an Eastern Christian makes me sad. Prince Charles often visits Mount Athos. A king ought to be allowed to adhere to a minority religion. If Kurdistan becomes a monarchy, the Shah of Kurdistan ought to be allowed to be a Christian or a Zoroastrian, despite most Kurds being Muslims. 
Many Britons support the disestablishment of the Church of England. I support their cause.
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In a coronation, heaven meets earth in a semi-sacrament and shows the legitimacy of the Crown comes from above.
In an inauguration the king is a civil servant being sworn in, regardless of if he wears a funny hat.

So, I'm going to have to say coronation.
Spain should have a coronation for their next Queen.

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Many Britons support the disestablishment of the Church of England. I support their cause.

Au contraire, few Britons even think about the issue. And there's really no reason why they should. Or why the Prince of Wales should convert to Orthodoxy and thus deprive himself of the throne, just to fulfil your ambition to have a monarch adhering to Eastern Christianity. Which wouldn't be achieved, as he would have deprived himself of the throne. Anyway, if you hadn't noticed Britain is a Western country. Go get the monarchy restored in Romania or Serbia or somewhere.
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Disestablishment is a pet project of only the most militant atheists and ultra-liberals of the UK.
Many want the link between the CoE and education to be rethought but full disestablishment is a radical position, though confirmed in the Coalition period to be an eventual target of the Liberal Democrats.

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Personally, I'd just settle for the CoE professing Christianity again.
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Personally, I'd just settle for the CoE professing Christianity again.

That would be a start.

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In a coronation, heaven meets earth in a semi-sacrament and shows the legitimacy of the Crown comes from above.
In an inauguration the king is a civil servant being sworn in, regardless of if he wears a funny hat.

So, I'm going to have to say coronation.
Spain should have a coronation for their next Queen.

I want Kurdistan to be a secular state. If Kurdistan becomes a monarchy, the legitimacy of the Shah of Kurdistan must come from the Kurdish people, not from above. The Shah of Kurdistan shall be the king of all Kurds, regardless of religious affiliation. Kurdistan shall never be an Islamic state.
Crowning the next Queen of Spain will be at odds with Spanish tradition. No coronation has taken place in Spain since 1494. I want Britain to emulate Spain. Spain is a modern secular democracy, unlike Britain. Both chambers of the Cortes, the parliament of Spain, are fully democratically elected. The King of Spain has freedom of religion, unlike the British monarch. Bishops being ex officio members of parliament is unacceptable in a secular democracy. I support the bishops and the hereditary peers being expelled from the House of Lords, and the British monarch ought to be granted freedom of religion. 
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Au contraire, few Britons even think about the issue. And there's really no reason why they should. Or why the Prince of Wales should convert to Orthodoxy and thus deprive himself of the throne, just to fulfil your ambition to have a monarch adhering to Eastern Christianity. Which wouldn't be achieved, as he would have deprived himself of the throne. Anyway, if you hadn't noticed Britain is a Western country. Go get the monarchy restored in Romania or Serbia or somewhere.

Australia is a secular state, despite being a Windsor monarchy. Britain ought to emulate Australia. 
The monarchy of Montenegro, which is an Orthodox Christian country, was partially restored in 2011. The head of the royal dynasty is an official representative of Montenegro and he is paid a salary by the state, which is equal to the salary of the President of Montenegro.
I'm a staunch supporter of restoration of the Russian monarchy. I support Konstantin Malofeyev, a Russian oligarch, who supports Putin and who is founding a new monarchist party in Russia.
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