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No, he was not the same thing as Robespierre, but that doesnt mean they were both Scum

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The Traditions of France didn't include sacking the Papal Enclaves.  Nor did the include a non-Capet as Monarch.  Nor would they have countenanced the manipulation of the Church.

(Again just the top three).


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The Traditions of France didn't include sacking the Papal Enclaves.  Nor did the include a non-Capet as Monarch.  Nor would they have countenanced the manipulation of the Church.

(Again just the top three).



At what point in history does something become a tradition, exactly?

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Well, certainly not on the first instance.

For 'Family Tradition' maybe three generations.
For 'National Tradition' I'd think along the lines of five generations.
For Religious Traditions, maybe 300 years....

I'd not be dogmatic about any of the above, except the first line.


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Napoleon is an animal's young and a degenerate of this dreadful and disgusting revolution. For us, the orthodox Russians, he always was, he always is our enemy and always will be the enemy of our Orthodox Belief, our Tsar and our Fatherland. I hate this disgusting and ugly dwarf. I think that Napoleon Bonaparte is the most exact "image" of the future AntiChrist.

Let he is eternally fried in the Hell!!!

Please, do not forget about this idiotic nephew who has been crushed by (P)Russia with the support and the consent of Russia in 1870!

 



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I realized I had mispelled my user name and need to delete and fix it...

Before doing so...

This is all OUTRAGEOUS slander against The Emperor! He is one of the single most greatest military minds to enter history. But before he was forced out by traitors, he showed Europe how weak it truly was! The monarchs of Spain and Austria were weak in their own fault for not being strong enough to beat the stronger man.

And Dmitry777, with respect I would not presume to judge your Salvation so I doubt you have any cause to judge Bonaparte's as you have no idea the case of his soul at death.
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I realized I had mispelled my user name and need to delete and fix it...

Before doing so...

This is all OUTRAGEOUS slander against The Emperor! He is one of the single most greatest military minds to enter history.

If you don't count, lets see, Belisaurus, Alexander, J. Caesar, A. the Hun, G. Kahn, R. E. Lee, Foot-Calv Johnson, etc...
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But before he was forced out by traitors, he showed Europe how weak it truly was! The monarchs of Spain and Austria were weak in their own fault for not being strong enough to beat the stronger man.

Who wasn't smart enough to stay in power while winning foreign wars....
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And Dmitry777, with respect I would not presume to judge your Salvation so I doubt you have any cause to judge Bonaparte's as you have no idea the case of his soul at death.

Right there,
Even Hitler may have seen the need for the Grace of the Jewish Carpenter before departing this plain...

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he was forced out by traitors 


Actually, he surrendered to a Royal Navy captain. The British forced him out  and, since they weren't subject to Napoleon in any way, they weren't traitors.
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This is all OUTRAGEOUS slander against The Emperor! 


No. It is your suppport of such a person that is outrageous.
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This is all OUTRAGEOUS slander against The Emperor!


And the usurpation of the Throne by the little Corsican was an OUTRAGEOUS slander against France.

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He is one of the single most greatest military minds to enter history.


He was a fairly good General yes. Bested by Wellington. But truly doubtful that he is "one of the single most greatest" Generals of all time. Any truly great General would not attack Russia in winter.

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Why should traitors spare Napoleon? After all he was a traitor to his King. And he was defeated.


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 he showed Europe how weak it truly was!


And then the British and European allies showed him how weak he was.

 
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The monarchs of Spain and Austria were weak in their own fault for not being strong enough to beat the stronger man.


And he was in turn defeated by them and Great Britain. Who was exiled to Elba and St. Helena? Not the King of Spain or Emperor of Austria.


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And he was in turn defeated by them and Great Britain. Who was exiled to Elba and St. Helena? Not the King of Spain or Emperor of Austria.


before it no more than 30, 000 peeled, hungry, stood and dying soldiers has managed to get out of Russia in 1812.
 
After that Napoleon's fiasco was only a matter of time
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before it no more than 30, 000 peeled, hungry, stood and dying soldiers has managed to get out of Russia in 1812.
 
After that Napoleon's fiasco was only a matter of time


Yes attacking Russia was a major error and it hastened his downfall. But I don't think he could possibly sustain the large scale war he was waging throughout Europe in the long run.

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And he was in turn defeated by them and Great Britain. Who was exiled to Elba and St. Helena? Not the King of Spain or Emperor of Austria.


before it no more than 30, 000 peeled, hungry, stood and dying soldiers has managed to get out of Russia in 1812.
 
After that Napoleon's fiasco was only a matter of time
 
Yes, what other military leader who lost 90% of his forces in a stupid campaign is remembered as great? The man, besides being an incarnation of the Revolution and an usurper, was also a stupid poseur!
 
He was in no way a great military leader. He had only one thing going for him and that was charisma, a trait shared with other evil men. It is only that charisma which blinds his devotees to his inherent stupidity, lack of military skill and general evil.

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It's interesting, isn't it, how the American presidents during whose terms the most Americans were killed (Lincoln, Wilson, FDR) are considered "great" in the US, and the "emperor" during whose reign far more Frenchmen were killed than in the wars of any French king is also still considered "great" in France.  I do not want this kind of "greatness"...
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It's interesting, isn't it, how the American presidents during whose terms the most Americans were killed (Lincoln, Wilson, FDR) are considered "great" in the US, and the "emperor" during whose reign far more Frenchmen were killed than in the wars of any French king is also still considered "great" in France.  I do not want this kind of "greatness"...
 
Interesting that you named my three least favourite Presidents. Interesting too that my boss and I had a discussion just the other day about the worst Presidents the US has ever had and after explaining why, he agreed that these three were indeed amongst the worst.

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