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The Church of England has released a new prayer for the Queen's Diamond Jubilee.  Predictably it is in the usual inane Common Worship modern language, so here's my attempt at a vaguely Cranmerian "translation":

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God of time and eternity,
whose Son reigneth as servant, not master;
we give thee thanks and praise
that thou hast blessed this Nation, the Realms and Territories
with Elizabeth
our beloved and glorious Queen.
In this year of Jubilee,
grant her thy gifts of love and joy and peace
as she continues in faithful obedience to thee, her Lord and God
and in devoted service to her lands and peoples,
and those of the Commonwealth,
now and all the days of her life;
through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Amen.

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Amen!

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That's a reasonable improvement. 

I've been attending the Novus Ordo a bit more regularly, as my new office is around the street from St. Agnes in Manhattan, so I've been subject to the new translation of the new mass. It's an improvement in accuracy, but the crappy modern English just falls flat.

I cannot help but to respond "and with thy spirit".
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Yes indeed.  Even my version of the new prayer lacks something of the old Anglican gravitas.  Nothing like the traditional:

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O LORD our heavenly Father, high and mighty, King of kings, Lord of lords, the only Ruler of princes, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers upon earth; Most heartily we beseech thee with thy favour to behold our most gracious Sovereign Lady, Queen ELIZABETH; and so replenish her with the grace of thy Holy Spirit, that she may alway incline to thy will, and walk in thy way: Endue her plenteously with heavenly gifts; grant her in health and wealth long to live; strengthen her that she may vanquish and overcome all enemies; and finally, after this life, she may attain everlasting joy and felicity; through Jesus Christ our Lord.  Amen. 


Apparently that's too "difficult" for modern people to understand.  Whatever.  So we've thrown out that for...what, exactly?

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So, which is it? Were the middle ages really horrid cesspools of ignorance, or are people today just so stupid they can't comprehend texts that our ancestors never whined about?

You can't have both. I guess liberals think we're getting dumber and less educated.
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But also smarter, because we have cell phones and are not superstitious...or something... 
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You could have the 'masses' more 'ignorant' and the 'upper classes' much better educated than today.  However, I think the masses were less distracted (and knew more about what they did and why), while the upper classes were more educated....

That is to say, I think the common man had less 'book learning' but understood the technology he used, while the upper classes definitely were more 'learned' than are to days 'elite'.


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I've been attending the Novus Ordo a bit more regularly, as my new office is around the street from St. Agnes in Manhattan, so I've been subject to the new translation of the new mass. It's an improvement in accuracy, but the crappy modern English just falls flat.
 


Aaron, I understand that St. Agnes has a Tridentine mass on Sundays.  Have you attended one of those?  I've always wanted to attend that mass, but due to my obligations on Sunday at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, I've never been able to.  

The old St. Agnes Church was a gem of neo-gothic architecture but it unfortunately burned down a few years ago and was rebuilt.  The new church of St. Agnes is an absolutely lovely building as well, although in a very different neo-baroque/neo-classical (not sure how to classify it) style. 

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Aaron, I understand that St. Agnes has a Tridentine mass on Sundays.  Have you attended one of those?  I've always wanted to attend that mass, but due to my obligations on Sunday at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, I've never been able to.  

The old St. Agnes Church was a gem of neo-gothic architecture but it unfortunately burned down a few years ago and was rebuilt.  The new church of St. Agnes is an absolutely lovely building as well, although in a very different neo-baroque/neo-classical (not sure how to classify it) style. 

They do, in fact, have an Extraordinary Form mass on Sundays, but I've never been there. I typically go to mass in Jersey on Sundays, because that's where I live. There's other places in the city that do the Extraordinary Form as well, but mostly on Sundays only. Holy Innocents on 37th & 7th does it on weekdays at 6pm. That's also a really beautiful church. I'd be willing to go there with you some time.

Are there any Ethiopian Orthodox divine liturgies daily? I've never been to an Oriental liturgy.
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I will definately go to Holy Innocents then as I've always wanted to but have never been able to attend a Tridentine mass.  When I attended Catholic High School in the early eighties in southern New Jersey, the masses we had included guitar playing nuns, or they played "Peter, Paul, & Mary" (not the Saints but the singers) tunes on a radio.  Needless to say those did not impress me very much.

Sadly there are no Ethiopian Orthodox daily divine liturgies in this area that I know of.  It is possible that St. Mary of Zion in Yonkers has services on Saturday but I'm not sure of that.   

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