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I would think the success at reducing infant mortality was a bigger factor in the population boom than the philosophy, the philosophy has been around for a LONG time.

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But didn't the Catholic Church mantain that the Jews were guilty of the killing Christ forever, until around 1962?

 

Oh and I am an admirer of Anne Askew by the way.

 

And I am really scared that since I was baptised when I was a baby that I won't make it Heaven because of that recuirement.

I'm going to have to take this conversation back off-track to respond to this post.  What you are referring to is the crime of deicide, the killing of the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity.  Yes, there have been Catholics, as well as Church leaders that have taught that modern Jews are guilty of the crime of deicide, but one must distinguish, as was said earlier, from the teaching of the Church and the teaching/beliefs of individuals.  Modern day Jews were never held to be guilty of deicide by Church doctrine, although individuals did insinuate so.  The Church in the Second Vatican Council issued Nostra Aetate, which upheld and reaffirmed the declaration of the Council of
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"True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ; still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ. Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man, the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love, decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone."

 

Yes, Jews during the time of Jesus were responsible for the crime of deicide, but only some, and by no means all or even a great deal of Jews, nor are Jews born after Jesus' passion responsible for His death, any more than you or I am.  All mankind's sins, as well as each individual sin committed by each and every individual who has ever existed or will exist put Christ on the cross, regardless of whether an individual believes in Him or not.

 

I'm not sure what "recuirement" you are talking about (requirement?).  If you are afraid you won't go to heaven, join the crowd.  As St. Paul tells us, we must all of us "with fear and trembling work out your salvation" (Philippians, 2:12).


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Darth,

 

Was that not the Catechism of Trent and not the Council of Trent?


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Pius XII (Humani Generis)

 

"[N]ew opinions (i.e. errors) ...are proposed ...by some even against the divine authorship of Sacred Scripture. For some go so far as to pervert the sense of the (First) Vatican Council's definition that God is the author of Holy Scripture, and they put forward again the opinion, already often condemned, which asserts that immunity from error extends only to those parts of the Bible that treat of God or of moral and religious matters. They even wrongly speak of a human sense of the Scriptures, beneath which a divine sense, which they say is the only infallible meaning, lies hidden... Further, according to their fictitious opinions, the literal sense of Holy Scripture and its explanation... should yield now to a new exegesis, which they are pleased to call symbolic or spiritual.


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Darth,

 

Was that not the Catechism of Trent and not the Council of Trent?

 

Perhaps so.  Either way, this proves that the Church did not "clear" modern Jews for Christ's passion in 1962, but has always believed and merely reaffirmed in the 16th and 20th centuries that Christ's crucifixion cannot be indiscriminately placed at the Jews' feet, either in the 1st century or any subsequent century.


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I do not think this is a topic which I want to get into here.


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I do not think this is a topic which I want to get into here.

Perhaps we should call it quits on this off-topic topic.  I know I am responsible for bringing this thread back off-topic (even though I did not start the off-topic discussion), and I stand by my posts, it might be best to end this discussion.


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Please don't kill my thread! I just got here and don't have alot of posts.

I was begining to ask: why is China so overpopulated?

 

An interesting fact about China is that people eat ice cream at their mother's funerals. (At least according to one Chinese girl in Speech team)

 


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Fertility drugs in their ice cream perhaps?


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Please don't kill my thread! I just got here and don't have alot of posts.

I was begining to ask: why is China so overpopulated?

 

An interesting fact about China is that people eat ice cream at their mother's funerals. (At least according to one Chinese girl in Speech team)

 



The question can not answered as phrased.  China isn't overpopulated, the people are not evenly distributed.  The economic boom of the cities has depopulated the countryside, and made the cities over-crowded, but the average population density of the Vatican City (1780/km2) exceeds that of China (137/km2) by more than an order of Magnitude.  Even the United Kingdom's population denisty (370/km2) is greater than that of China. 

(Of course all the Vatican City residents are 'immigrants' but thats not the point).

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The question can not answered as phrased.  China isn't overpopulated, the people are not evenly distributed.  The economic boom of the cities has depopulated the countryside, and made the cities over-crowded, but the average population density of the Vatican City (1780/km2) exceeds that of China (137/km2) by more than an order of Magnitude.  Even the United Kingdom's population denisty (370/km2) is greater than that of China. 

(Of course all the Vatican City residents are 'immigrants' but thats not the point).

The Vatican is not a valid example, because it is not a country in any real sense. Not only does it have no native population, but it has no agriculture, natural resources, industry or anything else which allows a country to be at least partially self-reliant. The Vatican City State is a legal quirk or anomoly, but the Vatican as a physical entity is very much part of Italy.
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I did anticipate the challenge and provided a more 'natural state' in the examples. 

I skipped a down the list a good long ways, avoiding 'special case' states (like Monaco), to get to the UK. 

Point still remains, the China isn't overpopulated.


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Point still remains, the China isn't overpopulated.

You may be right, but overpopulation is more complicated than simple people-to-land ratio. It depends on how many people the land can support, so 500 people per sq.mile on very fertile land may be fine where 200 people per sq.mile on infertile land is overpopulated.

I'm not sure where that leaves China, though
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China is a net exporter of foodstuffs.  Might not be the best yardstick for overpopulation, but its one that works for me.  If you have to import food, your population MIGHT be to high.  If you export it, you still have room for your population to grow.  (Your determining factors may be different of course).

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But only 10% of the land in China is farmable. Basic fact taught in World History.

 

How would you have enough food to export if only 10% of the land is farmable?

 

 


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