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I have been discussing on another forum about China as a threat to Western Society. I have said that China is in no position nor do they want to take us over. The other guy Matt(The Admin) was saying that our grandchidlren will have to learn Chinese, and that they will take over the Economy at any rate.

We were offtopic so I ended it with saying that I don't think China is a threat because I believe Israel will destroy their Army in the Revelations time. (My father has said it for years, I study eschtalogy,so it's a good topic stopper)

 

Does Matt have a point? Am I right about being optimistic about the future for once?  


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I can tell you that we in Israel have no intention of starting a war with China, but the power of the Chinese is growing and if they do choose to expand there probably isnt much that can be done about it.

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The Admin is right Rosa. Think about it. Most of the US factories are based in China. We are trillions of dollers in debt to China, while they have trillions in a surplus. Eventually they are going to call in that debt, and that will destroy our economy. They are creating close ties with all the countries all over the world that we will have nothing to do with, so they are creating vassal states in all the hostile regions of the world. There are 2 billion of them and 300 million of us, and most of their population is single, military age young men. They have one of the largest standing armies in the world. Their technology rapidly becomming equal to ours, and they are constantly engageing in cyber-terrorism and hacking efforts to steal our most secret technology. They have a nuke arsenal which would give us a run for our money, and they have no scruples about using them. Finally, the American and Western military is both over-streched, and, in the case of countries like France, useless. Its not that they are going to just take over America, they will dominate the world. The thing with Communists, is they truly follow Marx: they will wait and slowly insert themselves, and just when no one expects it, they will strike. It will happen. Its not a matter of if, its a matter of when.


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This is sad. I have to start finding more optimistic topics, I keep opening ones that make me feel even more unhappy about the world.

 

How are relations between China and Russia? From one source I hear they are friends, others say that any talk between them is political. I am more inclined towards political given the history.


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China isn't truly Marxist anymore, while officialy they are still Communist, their market is very capitalist. Their ideology has really reverted to traditional Chinese racism, with a belief in the superiority of the Chinese over all other peoples. This is driving their efforts for military and economic power, which unless their is a radical change soon will probably be succesful.

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Strictly strategy. China was always held beneath the USSR, and now Russia is a shell of what it once was. Putin hates being bossed around by Bush, and Russia wants its glory back which it feels the USA stole from it, so it is helping countries like Iran and Venezuela as a way of giving the finger to America. China sees this, and since they have no scruples, since they sell weapons to everyone from Hezbollah to Syria, they use Russia's nationalism as a way to propel themselves even further into posistion against America. Also, this war will start because America and Australia are legally bound to defend Tawian, which, incidentally, has a few hundred nukes pointed at it at all times, North Korea, subsidized by China has the largest standing army in the world, and Japan is constitutionally bound to not be able to militarize, and every time they try and change that, China uses its power in the world to stop it. As I said, the time is comming when they will be ready. Its like a game of chess. The Islamic nazis are just one of their pawns to distract the West while they get their other pieces ready for check-mate.


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I don't think the 'world' has any reason to fear a direct assault by the Chinese, but the economic angle is dead-on.

Historically, the Chinese people aren't directly interested in the outside world very much,  they regard us as barbarians, only worth study so that they can defend themselves against us. 

The ultra-power status of the United States, combined with its penchant for exporting 'capitalism and democracy' has made the US the number one concern. 

If the Lord tarries, we may have to face the results of the Chinese 'doing it to us' economically, so that we are no longer a threat to them, but I don't think we need fear an invasion.

As for the end-times stuff, the Chinese could easily field the 200 million man army mentioned in the Revelation, and the West is curiously absent from the end-time battles.  Something must have happened between now and then, because these days you can't throw a war anywhere without the US forces showing up. (To misquote some foreign leader 'The Americans will crash any war you start'), and in the end, when their is a 'War for it All', the United States is strangely absent....



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I can't help but hope that that absenteeism means that the Republic was destroyed and a Isolationist Monarchy established...but probably not. Anyway, I don't think you can take all of Revelation literally--remember it was written partially as a way to instruct converts to Christianity about the Way without being discovered by Nero.


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Yes, hopefully, the Americas are under a Isolationists Monarchy,  established with out to much bloodshed....

Revelation is not to be taken completely literal, on that we agree.

However, where there is an explanation given for the images (and most are explained), the explanation I take to be 'Gospel Truth'. 




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That would be nice to have a happy ending like that.

 

I take Revelations literally. The refusal of the Catholic Church to accept the Revelations as literal is one of the main reasons I am considering converting out when I turn 18. That plus Jack Chick scared me,and I love the Bible,and I love Jews, and have discovered that the Catholic Church has committed lots of crimes.


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The entire Bible is not meant to be taken literally. Even Fundementalists engage in interpretation. How else could the Bible-thumpers ignore the whole "you are Peter and upon the Rock I will build My Church" and the entrusting of the keys of the kingdom to St. Peter? Its right there, yet the Protestants ignore it. If they were as literal as they claimed to be they would be Catholic. Also, if the Bible was taken compeltly literally it would not be applicable to modern day themes, and all Protestant ministers engage in interpretation of the things they claim cannot be interpreted and must be taken literally. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

 

Also, any crimes commited were commited by private individuals, not by the Church. If a Pope speaks out demanding the destruction of all Jews, thats him speaking as much as an individual as any other Catholic or non-Catholic. But if the Pope spoke from the Chair of St. Peter calling for it, then it would be a crime commited by the Church. You must make sure not to confuse private individuals in the Church with the Church itself.


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But didn't the Catholic Church mantain that the Jews were guilty of the killing Christ forever, until around 1962?

 

Oh and I am an admirer of Anne Askew by the way.

 

And I am really scared that since I was baptised when I was a baby that I won't make it Heaven because of that recuirement.


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In truth a literal interpretation of the Torah does not make sense. Since there are in fact two sections of the Torah, Torah SheBikhsav, which early Christians were succesful in taking and traslating(poorly) into Greek. The other Torah the Torah SheBaal Peh was kept secret and remains a closed book to the Goy to this day.  Most of the knowledge is in the Torah SheBaal Peh and it is there that the many seeming contradictions in the Torah are explained and rectified, the knowledge was codified primarily in the Talmuds Babli and Yerushalmi. While anyone could buy a Gemara and learn from I doubt that will happen, since I am probably the only one on this forum who can read Hebrew let alone Aramaic, it seems a closed book it will stay.

 

Rosa, if I recall correctly in Catholic doctrine the actions taken against the Jewish people were not crimes as they were punishment for us killing Jesus. Honestly enough I dont really care if the Jews killed Jesus or if Catholics want to think we did, so long as no harm is done to Jews because of this belief people can believe whatever they want.

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The entire Bible is not meant to be taken literally. Even Fundementalists engage in interpretation. How else could the Bible-thumpers ignore the whole "you are Peter and upon the Rock I will build My Church" and the entrusting of the keys of the kingdom to St. Peter? Its right there, yet the Protestants ignore it. If they were as literal as they claimed to be they would be Catholic. Also, if the Bible was taken compeltly literally it would not be applicable to modern day themes, and all Protestant ministers engage in interpretation of the things they claim cannot be interpreted and must be taken literally. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

 

Also, any crimes commited were commited by private individuals, not by the Church. If a Pope speaks out demanding the destruction of all Jews, thats him speaking as much as an individual as any other Catholic or non-Catholic. But if the Pope spoke from the Chair of St. Peter calling for it, then it would be a crime commited by the Church. You must make sure not to confuse private individuals in the Church with the Church itself.


We are in agreement that the Scripture contains images and figures, that can not be take literally.  When John says 'Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world', he wasn't looking at a small sheep for example.

However, if you look closely at the text you site you will find the Greek has it 'You are a small stone (Petros), and upon this bedrock (petra) I will build my Church'  The image I have is of the Lord point first to Peter (petros), and then to himself (petra).  The Church's foundation is Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 3:11).  No 'interpetation' is required to see that the Church is not built upon Peter. 

I don't ignore the 'Keys' either.  At present I am not 100% confident of any understanding of our Lord's meaning.  I am inclinded to think that this was a more general statement, made to all of the Disciples (and the following verse does use the plural), but I'm not willing to say categorically that Peter wasn't personally given a special gift 'the Keys'.

My personal take on 'leteral' vs. 'figurative' is simple:  If it can be understood literally, then understand it that way, if can only be understood as 'figuratively' understand it that way, and (as is often the case) if it can be taken both ways, it is wise to consider both meanings.

Most of the charges leveled against the Church fail to take two factors into consideration:  1)  As the SupremeDirector points out, most of the 'crimes' were committed by individuals, some of whom claimed the protection of the church, not by the church as a body corporate.  2) The conditions underwich the action was taken.  The rules of God do not change, but the rules of man do.  Many of the 'crimes' laid at the feet of the Church were morally and legally appropriate for the times and conditions.

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Back to China! (on-topic angel moment)

 

The Chinese invented many things before (or at least they claimed to) the West. That is a source of their pride,because for many centuries they were Self-efficent.

 

I am wondering, is Confusionism's call for large families to make sacrifices the reason they have overpopulation?


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