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christopherdombrowski

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I'm wondering if California were to be restored to an existing monarchy, would it be most appropriate for it to be restored to the UK or to the Kingdom of Spain? With respect to the particular territory, California was once subject to Spain but never to the UK. However, in so far as California is part the political union known as the USA, its origins are in the UK.
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Seriously, what are the odds of that happening?   I think it would be more likely that California would become it's own kingdom before reverting to Spain or UK.

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I would say Spain, especially given current demographic trends. 

Here I am at the statue of King Carlos III (1716-1788), founder of the city, in Los Angeles:
http://www.royaltymonarchy.com/photos/LosAngeles.html

Of course, this is all purely theoretical.

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I have to admit, I really cannot see California becoming a monarchy anytime soon. As far as I can tell, there is no major seccesionist movement within the state (and whether or not states have the right to secede is another debate entirely) and there also exists no signs of any interest in monarchism as a government form. Chances are, if Cali ever does become a sovereign state again, we'd see her do so in the form of a Second California Republic, not the First Kingdom of California.

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If we are going to be theoretical about this: if California declares its independence, then it could choose a ceremonial head of state that is 1) for life, 2) hereditary, 3) has financial independence.  The conventions of the European monarchies should be imitated.   Over time, this California head of state could gain the legitimacy and majesty of a traditional monarchy.  At least it should be established by the second or third generation.    

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Seriously, what are the odds of that happening?


Most of these sorts of hypothetical situations on here are not that likely. In this thread I am simply concerned with what would idealistically be the most "right" thing for California.
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(and whether or not states have the right to secede is another debate entirely)


In this sort of circumstance, of course they do. Given that California was taken by a nation that doesn't have a right to exist (the USA) from another nation that does not have a right to exist (Mexico), I think its quite clear this territory has the right to return to its rightful Sovereign.
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I think it should start its own monarchy.

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Well, Norton I tried... 
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I think it should start its own monarchy.


Perhaps that is more practical. But ideologically, is it really the most "right" thing to do?
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Given that California was taken by a nation that doesn't have a right to exist (the USA) from another nation that does not have a right to exist (Mexico), I think its quite clear this territory has the right to return to its rightful Sovereign.


Mexico had its own monarchy for awhile which we would all here consider legitimate.   I see that as a more likely scenario than Mexico adopting the Spanish monarch as their head of state.

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Perhaps that is more practical. But ideologically, is it really the most "right" thing to do?


I don't see a conflict between what's practical and what's ideal: the naturally right thing is usually the most prudent and just thing to do.  I think monarchies would be less likely to occur in the New World, except where they still continue, if you limit them to a certain dynastic house from the Old World.  You can start a new monarchy and a new dynasty, which always have a beginning.   I would promote that idea.      

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Well, Norton I tried... 


Heh-heh

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On the other hand, I think that many of the Latin American countries that were formerly under Spain would have benefited if they had the same relationship toward King Juan Carlos as Canada currently does toward Queen Elizabeth.   It might have prevented something like Chavez in Venezuela, who has been given the power to rule by decree for the next 18 months.

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Mexico had its own monarchy for awhile which we would all here consider legitimate.


Was it not created by a needless, lawless, and unjust revolution against a legitimate monarch?
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