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You might think it's not as good a welfare state as Germany. But saying that it's not a welfare state is just ridiculous. As for the Guardian, preposterous as some of the things it comes out with are I doubt even it would say that.
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You might think it's not as good a welfare state as Germany. But saying that it's not a welfare state is just ridiculous. As for the Guardian, preposterous as some of the things it comes out with are I doubt even it would say that.

I admit, that Great Britain not being a welfare state is an exaggeration. But the British welfare state is definitely inferior to the German welfare state, and the Guardian often claims, that Tory austerity has been devastating to the British welfare state. The German welfare state is however the best welfare state in Europe outside Scandinavia. Kurdistan isn't a welfare state at the level of Germany and Scandinavia, but it offers tuition-free university education unlike Great Britain. The lack of tuition-free university education is a major flaw of Great Britain.
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The idea that the blood-soaked Assad should be king of anything is completely repulsive to me.  Just because he is less evil than other options for Jordan does not make him worthy of a throne.  What an awful standard!  We have enough monarchs in the region that are a blight on monarchy.  The King of Jordan and the Sultan of Oman are the only monarchs in the region worthy of the title.  Assad certainly isn't worthy.
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The idea that the blood-soaked Assad should be king of anything is completely repulsive to me.  Just because he is less evil than other options for Syria does not make him worthy of a throne.  What an awful standard!  We have enough monarchs in the region that are a blight on monarchy.  The King of Jordan and the Sultan of Oman are the only monarchs in the region worthy of the title.  Assad certainly isn't worthy.
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I admit, that Great Britain not being a welfare state is an exaggeration. But the British welfare state is definitely inferior to the German welfare state, and the Guardian often claims, that Tory austerity has been devastating to the British welfare state. The German welfare state is however the best welfare state in Europe outside Scandinavia. Kurdistan isn't a welfare state at the level of Germany and Scandinavia, but it offers tuition-free university education unlike Great Britain. The lack of tuition-free university education is a major flaw of Great Britain.

As a Scotsman, I have to say that tuition-free university isn't all it's cracked up to be. Scots and european citizens from outwith the UK get free university tuition in Scotland which just encourages the universities to flood the courses with foreigners for extra money, making university admission harder for Scots than it would be had they paid. It would not be in the interest of England and Wales to follow suit.

Why are we assuming that a welfare state is a good thing in the first place?

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As a Scotsman, I have to say that tuition-free university isn't all it's cracked up to be. Scots and european citizens from outwith the UK get free university tuition in Scotland which just encourages the universities to flood the courses with foreigners for extra money, making university admission harder for Scots than it would be had they paid. It would not be in the interest of England and Wales to follow suit.

Why are we assuming that a welfare state is a good thing in the first place?

I'm a social democrat. Tuition-free university education makes it easier for academically talented young people from poor families to obtain an university education. I'm not opposed to foreigners having to pay tuition fees. 
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The idea that the blood-soaked Assad should be king of anything is completely repulsive to me.  Just because he is less evil than other options for Syria does not make him worthy of a throne.  What an awful standard!  We have enough monarchs in the region that are a blight on monarchy.  The King of Jordan and the Sultan of Oman are the only monarchs in the region worthy of the title.  Assad certainly isn't worthy.

Why do you dislike the King of Morocco, the Emir of Kuwait and the Emirs of the UAE?
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Morocco is outside the Middle East so not in the region.  The others are aligned with Saudi Arabia and push the same regional agenda, although I disapprove of them less.  I don't care for Qatar's regional policies either.

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I agree, that Gaddafi's coup against the Libyan monarchy was wrong, but the political ideology of Gaddafi changed a lot during his rule. Gaddafi was a Nasserist, when he took power in Libya, but he later abandoned Pan-Arabism and embraced Pan-Africanism. He once supported international terrorism, but he ceased to support international terrorism long before the US invasion of Libya. Gaddafi was a republican, when he was a Pan-Arabist, but he was a monarchist, when he was a Pan-Africanist. He was electing King of Kings of Africa by 200 African kings in 2008.
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We're been through this before, but it hardly requires free tuition to allow the academically talented poor easy access to university. If we really mean the very talented, then scholarships, perhaps encouraged by the government would probably be enough. If we are casting the net a bit wider, systems like Britain or Australia, where it is interest free loans, would work well enough. I think there's all sorts of problems with our university systems, but not having completely free tuition for all isn't one of them. In fact, that sounds like it would just make things worse. We need less people going to uni, not more, and I say that as someone who works at a university.
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We're been through this before, but it hardly requires free tuition to allow the academically talented poor easy access to university. If we really mean the very talented, then scholarships, perhaps encouraged by the government would probably be enough. If we are casting the net a bit wider, systems like Britain or Australia, where it is interest free loans, would work well enough. I think there's all sorts of problems with our university systems, but not having completely free tuition for all isn't one of them. In fact, that sounds like it would just make things worse. We need less people going to uni, not more, and I say that as someone who works at a university.

Tuition-free university education works well in Kurdistan and Germany. Obtaining university education is a human right for everybody, who is sufficiently academically talented. Tuition-free university education increases equality of opportunity, but it doesn't eliminate inequality of opportunity. In Kurdistan, wasta (connections) is very important in order to get a good job. Wasta is far less important in Germany than in Kurdistan, but even in Germany, connections matter. Wasta appear to be very important in Great Britain, and wasta is closely tied to having attended a public school. Attending Eton gives you an immense amount of wasta. Wasta appears to be far more important in Great Britain than in Germany. Leftists often speak about ensuring equality of opportunity, but they will never get rid of wasta, because wasta is part of human nature. But tuition-free university education allows exceptionally academically talented people, who lack wasta, to rise to the top of society. 
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That doesn't seem to be a proper response to my comments, which was precisely that tuition free university is not necessary to let the talented poor go to university. I don't know if free university works as well in Germany as a more restrictive system. I have certainly read an interesting work by Nima Sanandaji about the Nordic welfare states and how they aren't as perfect as often made out:

https://www.amazon.com/Scandinavian-Unexceptionalism-Third-Way-Socialism-Political-ebook/dp/B0127HLXLS?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-brave-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0127HLXLS

Also, there can no human right to education, as that would mean there's a human duty to provide it. Who is to be forced to work in schools or universities?
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That doesn't seem to be a proper response to my comments, which was precisely that tuition free university is not necessary to let the talented poor go to university. I don't know if free university works as well in Germany as a more restrictive system. I have certainly read an interesting work by Nima Sanandaji about the Nordic welfare states and how they aren't as perfect as often made out:

https://www.amazon.com/Scandinavian-Unexceptionalism-Third-Way-Socialism-Political-ebook/dp/B0127HLXLS?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-brave-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0127HLXLS

Also, there can no human right to education, as that would mean there's a human duty to provide it. Who is to be forced to work in schools or universities?

Education being a human right doesn't mean, that anybody shall be forced to work in schools or universities. It means, that anybody, who is sufficiently academically talented and who WANTS a university education must be able to obtain a university education. Having to pay for university education makes no sense to me. Funding for university education ought to be provided by ordinary taxes. Kurdistan and Germany ought to keep tuition-free university education. 

 

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Again, that's not a proper response to my points about education and opportunity. You are just repeating the same few lines.

A right implies a duty: if I have a right to free speech, others have the duty to not restrict my speech in this regard. It's hard to see how there can be a basic duty for people to provide education. Pointing to taxes doesn't solve the logical dilemma concerning what it would mean to say there's a basic human duty to provide free education.
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I agree, that Gaddafi's coup against the Libyan monarchy was wrong, but the political ideology of Gaddafi changed a lot during his rule. Gaddafi was a Nasserist, when he took power in Libya, but he later abandoned Pan-Arabism and embraced Pan-Africanism. He once supported international terrorism, but he ceased to support international terrorism long before the US invasion of Libya. Gaddafi was a republican, when he was a Pan-Arabist, but he was a monarchist, when he was a Pan-Africanist. He was electing King of Kings of Africa by 200 African kings in 2008.


if he had really become a monarchist he should have shown it by restoring the monarchy he abolished. i must admit however that he did some good by donating money for rebuilding the ruined royal castle of the restored kingdom of toro in uganda.
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