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Originally Posted by 18th_Brumaire
...(S)ome Canadians are loathe to admit that their monarchy even exists.

Actually, those are few and far between, outside of Quebec and even there there is a core of support for the Crown, albeit small. The real problem is that a large mass of Canadians have never even thought about it. With the replacement of the Red Ensign as the (unofficial) Canadian flag with the (official) Maple Leaf and the adoption of O Canada as the official National Anthem, it sort of dropped out of the common consciousness. E.g. an university educated friend of mine was quite surprised to learn that all soldiers, MPs, MLAs, most police, many lawyers and every member of the Royal Canadian Legion are required to take the Oath of Allegiance to HM as Queen of Canada. She had the idea that HM was basically just a design on our coins and our $10.00 bank note!

Given the prevalence of Royal symbolism, Royal patronage, Royal Colonelcies-in-Chief of our Regiments, Regiments like The King's Own Calgary Regiment, based in my friend's hometown, the prefix HMCS on Royal Canadian Navy vessels (and land based RCN installations like HMCS Nonesuch, Edmonton, AB), and the Royal Canadian Air Force, I am continually amazed at how many younger Canadians, by which I mean under 50, are ignorant of the fact that we are a Monarchy.

'Monarchy can easily be ‘debunked;' but watch the faces, mark the accents of the debunkers. These are the men whose tap-root in Eden has been cut: whom no rumour of the polyphony, the dance, can reach - men to whom pebbles laid in a row are more beautiful than an arch. Yet even if they desire equality, they cannot reach it. Where men are forbidden to honour a king they honour millionaires, athletes or film-stars instead: even famous prostitutes or gangsters. For spiritual nature, like bodily nature, will be served; deny it food and it will gobble poison.' C.S. Lewis God save Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, etc.! Vive le Très haut, très puissant et très excellent Prince, Louis XX, Par la grâce de Dieu, Roi de France et de Navarre, Roi Très-chrétien!

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Reply with quote  #77 
The Monarchist League of Canada do what they can to rectify that but they still have a ways to go.  Maybe I'll immigrate and join them someday.

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Originally Posted by Krwalker1
I would like to know, if there is any agenda, on how the American Government can be "Converted".
Has anyone thought about how to bring this about?  Other than just letting everything go to hell-and start over.  I would really like to know if anyone has given serious thought to this.

Eh, the USA is too republican in mindset for a conversion to monarchy to be done in any one lifetime, not without things seriously going down the drain with the current government to shake people's confidence in the system. It is THE Republic, after all, from which all other modern republics proceed. The most we can hope to do is just educate the populace at large about the benefits of monarchy and hope that, if nothing else, they can at least be convinced that there's nothing inherently wrong with monarchism and cease to be opposed to the existence of monarchs, even if they won't advocate it for themselves afterwards.

That in itself can be invaluable; a number of restorations in the 20th century were stalled because the USA intervened diplomatically. The most notable example I can think of was Bulgaria, in which the USA threatened to cut off foreign aid to them if the Czar was returned to his throne following the collapse of the communist government there. In the words of the Foreign Secretary at the time: "We don't do kings".

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I'd actually argue that most modern republics proceed from the French Republic - with its bourgeois and parliamentary character - as opposed to the American. Interestingly, the current French Republic (5th) is actually the most monarchical in character of any of them, and the President of the French Republic is in essence an elected monarch, with sweeping and poorly checked powers, both de facto and de jure (thanks to Andorra!)

Yes, though, it's very sad how the USA has more or less prevented the return of constitutional monarchy in places like Afghanistan. There really isn't anything inherently wrong with monarchism, whether you're on the left or the right.

"What is there against him? That throne. Take away Louis Philippe the king, there remains the man. And the man is good. He is good at times even to the point of being admirable." - Victor Hugo, Les Miserables

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I know what the current "feeling" regarding any monarchy is within the US Government-I have read the Constitution.  I guess I am a little to ambitious in my thinking.  However, I really wonder how many of the everyday American would react to the idea of a Monarch, in the US.-  keeping the same checks and balances that are in place now-With a few additions and subtractions.  I really think there are many in this country that think like we do-Finding them is the hard part.
Kristopher R Walker
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