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Alaska ought to be returned to the Romanovs. Puerto Rico ought to be returned to King Felipe of Spain. The US Virgin Islands ought to be returned to Queen Margrethe of Denmark. 
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I don't support returning Alaska to Russia, Puerto Rico to Spain and the US Virgin Islands to Denmark.
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The above two quotes from Mr Consistency were made three hours apart. I thought they ought to be preserved for future generations of members to wonder at. Turning to his #30, it had never previously occurred to me that Britain 'lost' Canada and Australia and New Zealand. I had always thought that we gave them up perfectly voluntarily. It had also never previously occurred to me that 800,000 square miles of snow and ice equated in value to the aforesaid Canada, Australia and New Zealand, and that had we emulated the wisdom of the Danes we would have held on to these prosperous and populated lands (albeit large parts of the first two are neither, though that still leaves plenty of regions that are both) just as successfully as they held on to their hundreds of thousands of square miles of trackless, valueless, almost entirely unpeopled wilderness. Live and learn.
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The above two quotes from Mr Consistency were made three hours apart. I thought they ought to be preserved for future generations of members to wonder at. Turning to his #30, it had never previously occurred to me that Britain 'lost' Canada and Australia and New Zealand. I had always thought that we gave them up perfectly voluntarily. It had also never previously occurred to me that 800,000 square miles of snow and ice equated in value to the aforesaid Canada, Australia and New Zealand, and that had we emulated the wisdom of the Danes we would have held on to these prosperous and populated lands (albeit large parts of the first two are neither, though that still leaves plenty of regions that are both) just as successfully as they held on to their hundreds of thousands of square miles of trackless, valueless, almost entirely unpeopled wilderness. Live and learn.

The first post was about the unlikely event of the USA becoming a monarchy. The second post was about the fact that the USA likely will remain a federal republic. The Romanovs have a stronger claim to Alaska than Queen Elizabeth has. King Felipe of Spain has a stronger claim to Puerto Rico than Queen Elizabeth has. Queen Margrethe of Denmark has a stronger claim to the US Virgin Islands than Queen Elizabeth has. But I'm not opposed to Alaska remaining a US state and Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands remaining US territories, as long as the USA remains a federal republic.

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So what you're saying is that the first post completely ignored the facts, while the second took some cognizance of them? Bizarre, but an explanation of sorts I suppose. It does overlook me having pointed out the facts in between, but presumably you already had your grand scheme in mind so that was irrelevant. I, who have never proposed that Elizabeth II has any claim of any kind to any part of the United States (any more than she has done), await your response to the other points in my #33. Though I'm far from holding my breath.
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So what you're saying is that the first post completely ignored the facts, while the second took some cognizance of them? Bizarre, but an explanation of sorts I suppose. It does overlook me having pointed out the facts in between, but presumably you already had your grand scheme in mind so that was irrelevant. I, who have never proposed that Elizabeth II has any claim of any kind to any part of the United States (any more than she has done), await your response to the other points in my #33. Though I'm far from holding my breath.

Alaska ought to remain a US state and Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands ought to remain US territories, provided that the USA remains a republic. The USA ought to cede Alaska to Russia, Puerto Rico to Spain and the US Virgin Islands to Denmark, if the USA becomes a Commonwealth realm.
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What your original post said was that the US ought not to become a Commonwealth Realm, and that Alaska should be ceded to Russia, Puerto Rico to Spain and the US Virgin Islands to Denmark. Which made sense in the Anglophobic Azadian universe, everyone gets their former colonial possessions back, except Britain which gets squat. Of course since the US is going to remain a republic there's no point in even discussing the question.

But, and entirely leaving aside matters of self-determination, the improved version above isn't as fair as you might think. If the Thirteen Colonies continued to rightfully belong to the British Crown despite their rebellion, then the resources they used to acquire the present territorial extent of the United States also belonged to the British Crown. And therefore so does whatever might have been obtained with them. If the US wishes to repent its rebellion and return to the fold, it can and should come bringing Alaska and (in the old sense) Louisiana and forcibly seized bits of Mexico and all the rest with it.
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What your original post said was that the US ought not to become a Commonwealth Realm, and that Alaska should be ceded to Russia, Puerto Rico to Spain and the US Virgin Islands to Denmark. Which made sense in the Anglophobic Azadian universe, everyone gets their former colonial possessions back, except Britain which gets squat. Of course since the US is going to remain a republic there's no point in even discussing the question.

But, and entirely leaving aside matters of self-determination, the improved version above isn't as fair as you might think. If the Thirteen Colonies continued to rightfully belong to the British Crown despite their rebellion, then the resources they used to acquire the present territorial extent of the United States also belonged to the British Crown. And therefore so does whatever might have been obtained with them. If the US wishes to repent its rebellion and return to the fold, it can and should come bringing Alaska and (in the old sense) Louisiana and forcibly seized bits of Mexico and all the rest with it.

I'm not an Anglophobe. I dislike the British Empire, but I don't dislike Britain, British culture or the British monarchy. I dislike the Spanish Empire too, despite being a Hispanophile. The Spanish Empire was worse than the British Empire. I like the Russian Empire, because it wasn't a colonial empire. The non-Russian parts of the Russian Empire were represented in the Duma. Alash Orda, a Kazakh political party, was represented in the Duma. The US Virgin Islands ought to have remained a Danish colony, because Greenland is better off than the US Virgin Islands. Greenland is an autonomous region of Denmark, which is represented in the Danish parliament, while the US Virgin Islands aren't represented in the US House of Representatives and the residents of the US Virgin Islands can't vote in presidential elections. The US Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico ought to become US states.
My support for the Spanish claim to Gibraltar isn't caused by Anglophobia. I support the Spanish claim to Gibraltar, because the Spanish monarchy is far more vulnerable than the British monarchy. The fate of the Spanish monarchy is far more important to me than the fate of Gibraltar. I support the British claim to the Falkland Islands. 
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For the record, if I understand it right, the Danish Virgin Islanders requested the island be sold to the USA due to maladministration by the Danish.
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