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Peter

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There isn't going to be one, and let's leave it there. Now, how about something on topic for a change?
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You have been argued with over your views on Gibraltar. You have not been 'attacked'. You have however been urged not to keep on and on expounding them, because you have done so enough and ten times more already and we all know what they are without reminders. You did not in fact explain your support for Irish nationalism, but please don't. If you want to favour terrorist-loving scum like Sinn Féin, go ahead but try to at least spell their name correctly.

Members of this forum accusing me of Anglophobia, because I support the Spanish claim to Gibraltar and because I dislike Ulster Unionism, make me very sad, because my support for the Spanish claim to Gibraltar and my dislike of Ulster Unionism aren't caused by Anglophobia. I support the Spanish claim to Gibraltar, because Spanish republicanism is far stronger than British republicanism, and I dislike Ulster Unionism, because I prefer Catholicism to Protestantism. 
I'm opposed to Irish unification without the consent of the majority of the Ulstermen. I'm neutral on Irish unification, because the British government no longer oppresses Ulster Catholics, but I appear to be a supporter of Irish republicanism, because most members of this forum are staunch opponents of Irish unification.
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We might just as well rename every thread 'All about Azadi'. Because whatever the nominal topic is, that's what the actual topic turns out to be. To quote a phrase, I'm sick and tired of it.
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All Catholic monarchists ought to support the Spanish claim to Gibraltar, because the Spanish monarchy is the most vulnerable current European monarchy. The largest current Catholic monarchy being abolished will be a disaster.


I don't see what one has to do with the other. The British claim is the stronger claim. So you think Catholics should take an "ends justify the means" approach?

I also fail to see why Spain getting Gibraltar makes it less likely that republicanism will succeed in Spain anyway.

I'm with Peter in being tired of hearing about the justification of your biases. One doesn't argue based on bias - argue fact and reason. Biases can explain why someone does something, but not why they ought. Arguing "my bias is X, therefore Y is correct" is just pure rubbish. You're making an ass of yourself.

And claiming you're being attacked, after the accusations you've made of others here? Grow up.
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I would have supported King James II and VII, if I had lived in England or in Scotland in 1688, and I would have supported Queen Isabella II, if I had lived in Spain in 1833. Isabella II assumed the Spanish throne, because her father King Ferdinand VII amended the law of succession to the Spanish throne, while King William III overthrew King James II and VII in an anti-Catholic coup. Both Queen Isabella II and Don Carlos were Catholics.

None of this is at all relevant to either the thread topic or your previous off-topic ramblings about Gibraltar.
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I don't support modern Jacobitism, because the Windsors are descendants of King James I and VI and the male line of the Stuarts became extinct in 1807, but I support disestablishment of the Church of England.

So you support the re-establishment of the Russian Orthodox Church, and want to make the Roman Catholic Church the established church of the EU, but you want to disestablish the Church of England- because it's Protestant, I'm guessing? You know what, I probably dislike Roman Catholicism as much as you do Protestantism, but I don't go out of my way to rile up Catholics the way that you do Protestants, because I'm not interested in using this forum as a platform for petty sectarianism.

I know that English isn't your first language and I suspect that this might go some way to explaining your formulaic posting style and inability or unwillingness to directly respond to other posters' criticisms of you and your views, but it does not justify the way to derail every thread to talk about your pet topics or your constant provocation of other forum members. If you cannot learn to keep your opinions in the appropriate places, properly explain and defend your views or avoid riling up other posters as you have been doing, perhaps it would be for the best if you left the forum.

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None of this is at all relevant to either the thread topic or your previous off-topic ramblings about Gibraltar.

So you support the re-establishment of the Russian Orthodox Church, and want to make the Roman Catholic Church the established church of the EU, but you want to disestablish the Church of England- because it's Protestant, I'm guessing? You know what, I probably dislike Roman Catholicism as much as you do Protestantism, but I don't go out of my way to rile up Catholics the way that you do Protestants, because I'm not interested in using this forum as a platform for petty sectarianism.

I know that English isn't your first language and I suspect that this might go some way to explaining your formulaic posting style and inability or unwillingness to directly respond to other posters' criticisms of you and your views, but it does not justify the way to derail every thread to talk about your pet topics or your constant provocation of other forum members. If you cannot learn to keep your opinions in the appropriate places, properly explain and defend your views or avoid riling up other posters as you have been doing, perhaps it would be for the best if you left the forum.

I promise to try to avoid derailing threads in the future. I apologize for introducing Kurdistan and Israel as topics in the thread about the Italian royal succession dispute. 
I apologize for riling up Protestants. I dislike Protestantism, but I don't hate Protestants. I'm a staunch supporter of freedom of religion, and I don't support abolition of Protestant monarchies. The Danish and Tongan monarchies are among my favourite current monarchies, despite the Danish and Tongan monarchies being Protestant monarchies.
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I don't see what one has to do with the other. The British claim is the stronger claim. So you think Catholics should take an "ends justify the means" approach?

I also fail to see why Spain getting Gibraltar makes it less likely that republicanism will succeed in Spain anyway.

I'm with Peter in being tired of hearing about the justification of your biases. One doesn't argue based on bias - argue fact and reason. Biases can explain why someone does something, but not why they ought. Arguing "my bias is X, therefore Y is correct" is just pure rubbish. You're making an ass of yourself.

And claiming you're being attacked, after the accusations you've made of others here? Grow up.

The German monarchy was abolished, because Germany lost World War I and the Argentine military junta was overthrown, because Argentina lost the Falklands War. King Felipe doesn't deserve to be overthrown, if Spain loses a war with Britain over Gibraltar, because he is a figurehead, but I fear a Spanish defeat in a war with Britain over Gibraltar will strengthen Spanish republicanism, because it may discredit the 1978 system.
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There have been lots and lots of wars throughout history, and lots and lots of monarchies involved in them. Sometimes a monarchy has been overthrown through losing a war, but a lot more often the monarchy that loses just carries on. In this particular case, it really is not worth speculating over what would happen if Spain lost a war with Britain over Gibraltar, because there are no reasonably imaginable circumstances in which such a war would happen. Would you kindly get that through your skull and shut up about it. And Gibraltar, especially on this thread, to which it is not germane. If you want to construct an argument that Spanish childishness over the peninsula will prevent there ever being any kind of trade deal between Britain and the EU I suppose that might qualify as on-topic, but would still be far-fetched. SOP for you, of course, but you really should be looking to improve.
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There have been lots and lots of wars throughout history, and lots and lots of monarchies involved in them. Sometimes a monarchy has been overthrown through losing a war, but a lot more often the monarchy that loses just carries on. In this particular case, it really is not worth speculating over what would happen if Spain lost a war with Britain over Gibraltar, because there are no reasonably imaginable circumstances in which such a war would happen. Would you kindly get that through your skull and shut up about it. And Gibraltar, especially on this thread, to which it is not germane. If you want to construct an argument that Spanish childishness over the peninsula will prevent there ever being any kind of trade deal between Britain and the EU I suppose that might qualify as on-topic, but would still be far-fetched. SOP for you, of course, but you really should be looking to improve.

I apologize for appearing to be an Anglophobe. My support for the Spanish claim to Gibraltar isn't caused by Anglophobia. I will support Spain in a war with Britain over Gibraltar, because Spanish republicanism is far stronger than British republicanism, not because I hate Britain. I don't want Spain to go to war with Britain over Gibraltar, because the British government doesn't oppress the Gibraltarians.
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One more time, Spain isn't ever imaginably going to go to war with Britain over Gibraltar. So shut up about that and Gibraltar both and let this thread either rest or get back to its topic.
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I will endorse Keir Starmer in the Labour leadership election, because Lisa Nandy has slandered Vladimir Putin and because Rebecca Long-Bailey is ugly. Keir Starmer is neither a Blairite nor a Marxist. Keir Starmer is opposed to Britain rejoining the EU, despite being a Remainer. Keir Starmer will be an excellent Prime Minister of Britain. 
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I don't think you are using slander as it's usually used in English.
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I don't think you are using slander as it's usually used in English.

Lisa Nandy has falsely claimed that Putin is hostile to Muslims.
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Pomposity and self-righteousness appear to me to be the chief distinguishing characteristics of Sir Keir Starmer. Such policy ideas as he has advanced would raise a smile coming from a precocious 12-year-old, but are rather embarrassing for a man of his years and experience. Nevertheless he is a better prospect than the execrable Long-Bailey, who could probably count the number of her brain cells without removing either shoe. Lisa Nandy to me is clearly the best candidate, but Labour being Labour is in third place in the field of three. Probably just as well, she might actually get close to winning an election, the last thing we want Labour doing. But anyway it will be Starmer.
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Pomposity and self-righteousness appear to me to be the chief distinguishing characteristics of Sir Keir Starmer. Such policy ideas as he has advanced would raise a smile coming from a precocious 12-year-old, but are rather embarrassing for a man of his years and experience. Nevertheless he is a better prospect than the execrable Long-Bailey, who could probably count the number of her brain cells without removing either shoe. Lisa Nandy to me is clearly the best candidate, but Labour being Labour is in third place in the field of three. Probably just as well, she might actually get close to winning an election, the last thing we want Labour doing. But anyway it will be Starmer.

The policy ideas of Keir Starmer are sensible. He supports abolition of tuition fees and nationalization of rail, mail and water. Lisa Nandy doesn't deserve to be the Prime Minister of Britain, because she has lied about Putin. Claiming that Putin is hostile to Muslims is an outrageous lie. 
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