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The victory of Sinn Fein in the Irish general election may lead to Irish unification:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/13/sinn-fein-breakup-uk-boris-johnson

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Why do you want Denmark to leave the EU? Denmark isn't a member state of the Eurozone. I want Germany to leave the Eurozone, while remaining a member state of the EU. I'm opposed to Denmark leaving the EU, because Denmark is part of the German cultural sphere, unlike Norway and Sweden.

because i want to be solidaric with fellow peoples in other countries who has been forced to have the euro against the will of the majority of the peoples. i dont just dont care about other countries just because my country is euro free. i dont want to be a member of and support a union which forces the euro upon people against their will. for one reason
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Denmark is part of the German cultural sphere


Well that certainly sounds ominous... what does that have to do with being part of the EU anyway.  Is France part of the "German cultural sphere"?  Spain?  Greece?  Are you saying the EU is the new German Empire?

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Well that certainly sounds ominous... what does that have to do with being part of the EU anyway.  Is France part of the "German cultural sphere"?  Spain?  Greece?  Are you saying the EU is the new German Empire?

The countries, which belong to the German cultural sphere are Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, Denmark and the Netherlands. Danish and Dutch are Germanic languages and Denmark and the Netherlands have been influenced a lot by German culture. Switzerland, Luxembourg and Belgium partially belong to the German cultural sphere. France, Spain and Greece don't belong to the German cultural sphere. French and Spanish are Romance languages.
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The countries, which belong to the German cultural sphere are Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, Denmark and the Netherlands. Danish and Dutch are Germanic languages and Denmark and the Netherlands have been influenced a lot by German culture. Switzerland, Luxembourg and Belgium partially belong to the German cultural sphere. France, Spain and Greece don't belong to the German cultural sphere. French and Spanish are Romance languages.


Doesn't address my question at all.  What does that have to do with being part of the EU?


Anyway, in other news, the push for Scottish independence by the SNP could be to distract from the SNP's rather dismal record in government.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1242365/nicola-sturgeon-news-snp-news-scottish-independence-uk-scotland-news

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English is a Germanic language. So are Norwegian and Swedish and for that matter Icelandic. But you don't suggest that the Anglosphere is a subset of the Germanic cultural sphere and specifically excluded Norway and Sweden from it. As usual with you, your reasoning seems a little obscure.
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English is a Germanic language. So are Norwegian and Swedish and for that matter Icelandic. But you don't suggest that the Anglosphere is a subset of the Germanic cultural sphere and specifically excluded Norway and Sweden from it. As usual with you, your reasoning seems a little obscure.

Denmark and the Netherlands are culturally far closer to Germany than England, Norway, Sweden and Iceland are, despite English, Norwegian, Swedish and Icelandic being Germanic languages. 
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So you assert. Now I would like to see the bases for your assertion, as without facts and reasoning assertion by itself is valueless.
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So you assert. Now I would like to see the bases for your assertion, as without facts and reasoning assertion by itself is valueless.

I live in South Schleswig. I have often visited Denmark. Most Danes can speak German. I have never been to the Netherlands, but the Dutch language is far more similar to the German language than the English language and the Scandinavian languages are. The Netherlands are culturally closer to Germany than Denmark is, because Denmark is a Scandinavian country. Denmark is culturally close to both Germany and the other Scandinavian countries. 
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Dutch is more similar to German than English is, but it is a matter of degree not kind, all three languages are closely related (and you could throw in Frisian for a fourth). Danish is more distantly related to these tongues than any of them are to each other. I haven't been to Denmark myself so can't speak of it, but have to both the Netherlands and Germany and they are clearly different from each other. There are similarities to be sure, but then so there are between England and either of these. I do not doubt that Denmark likewise has both differences to and affinities with Germany, and differences to and affinities with the other Scandinavian countries; in view of their very similar languages and intertwined histories, I would expect more of the latter than with Germany.

But that's just me guessing, perhaps Bator as a Dane who, I feel sure, knows Norway and Sweden and also Germany well might like to give his view. But at the moment I remain unconvinced that Denmark, and the Netherlands for that matter, can blithely be swept into the Germanosphere. Were I Danish or Dutch, I might even feel offended. But that is for Bator and perhaps Dutchmonarchist if he reads this to say.
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Dutch is more similar to German than English is, but it is a matter of degree not kind, all three languages are closely related (and you could throw in Frisian for a fourth). Danish is more distantly related to these tongues than any of them are to each other. I haven't been to Denmark myself so can't speak of it, but have to both the Netherlands and Germany and they are clearly different from each other. There are similarities to be sure, but then so there are between England and either of these. I do not doubt that Denmark likewise has both differences to and affinities with Germany, and differences to and affinities with the other Scandinavian countries; in view of their very similar languages and intertwined histories, I would expect more of the latter than with Germany.

But that's just me guessing, perhaps Bator as a Dane who, I feel sure, knows Norway and Sweden and also Germany well might like to give his view. But at the moment I remain unconvinced that Denmark, and the Netherlands for that matter, can blithely be swept into the Germanosphere. Were I Danish or Dutch, I might even feel offended. But that is for Bator and perhaps Dutchmonarchist if he reads this to say.

Being part of the Germanosphere isn't solely about the language. The Netherlands was part of the HRE, unlike England and the Scandinavian countries. I consider the Germanic-speaking countries, which were parts of the HRE, to be parts of the Germanosphere. Denmark was never part of the HRE, but Denmark ruled Schleswig and Holstein from 1460 to 1864, and North Schleswig is currently part of Denmark. North Schleswig is culturally very close to Germany. Danish culture has been influenced by German culture, because Denmark ruled Schleswig and Holstein.
Kazakhstan is part of the Iranic cultural sphere, despite the Kazakh language being a Turkic language. Both the Kurds and the Kazakhs celebrate Newroz (the Iranic New Year). The Anatolian Turks and the Arabs don't celebrate Newroz. 
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Azadi, you have yet to answer Ethiomonarchist's question about what being part of a "German cultural sphere" has to do with membership in the EU in the first place.
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And it's a fair question. I would point out that Schleswig, or Slesvig in Danish, was also never part of the HRE but was always under the Danish crown until the Prussian conquest in the 19th century. Large parts of what is now France were at one time in the HRE (actually, the whole of it was when the institution was founded), ditto northern Italy. Are they in the Germanosphere? They don't now speak a Germanic language, you reply. Leaving aside Alsace and Trentino they don't, but still you are applying muddled and irrelevant criteria to make an argument that really is not germane to the thread topic. Kazakhstan I presume was introduced as a means of squirming the other K-word onto the thread. When either of them apply for EU membership let me know, and until then leave them out of things.
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And it's a fair question. I would point out that Schleswig, or Slesvig in Danish, was also never part of the HRE but was always under the Danish crown until the Prussian conquest in the 19th century. Large parts of what is now France were at one time in the HRE (actually, the whole of it was when the institution was founded), ditto northern Italy. Are they in the Germanosphere? They don't now speak a Germanic language, you reply. Leaving aside Alsace and Trentino they don't, but still you are applying muddled and irrelevant criteria to make an argument that really is not germane to the thread topic. Kazakhstan I presume was introduced as a means of squirming the other K-word onto the thread. When either of them apply for EU membership let me know, and until then leave them out of things.

Schleswig wasn't part of the HRE, but South Schleswig and urban North Schleswig were German-speaking before 1864, while rural North Schleswig was Danish-speaking before 1864. Westernmost South Schleswig was Frisian-speaking.
I mentioned Kazakhstan, because being part of a cultural sphere isn't solely about language. 
The countries, which belong to the Germanosphere, ought to remain member states of the EU, because I want the EU to be a union of continental Germanic and Latin countries. I want King Felipe of Spain to be elected Emperor of Europe, and I want the Roman Catholic Church to be the established church of the EU. I will support federalization of the EU, if a federal EU becomes a Catholic monarchy, but I will oppose federalization of the EU, if a federal EU becomes a secular republic.
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I quite like King Felipe VI and the Spanish Bourbons, but a Roman Catholic European empire stretching from Scandinavia to Sicily and the Atlantic to the Black Sea sounds like my worst nightmare come true, and I doubt it would be particularly popular with the majority Protestant and Eastern Orthodox member states of the EU either.
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