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jovan66102

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My blog post that went live at 23.00 London time:

It is 17.00 CDT, which means it's 23.00 in the UK and Britain is OUT OF THE EU! I've waited a long time for this day.


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Years ago, when the European Union was still the European Economic Community and was true to the vision of its founders, as a federation of free and independent sovereign States, I was a strong supporter.

As it developed into the statist, anti-Christian and anti-Western unitary behemoth under German hegemony that it has become, subsuming the sovereignty of its subject States, I became an equally strong opponent. 

My Grandfather (Gnr, Royal Field Artillery) and my Uncle (Pvt, AEF) in the Great War, and my Father (PFC, 8th USAAF) and my Uncle (Sgt, The Canadian Scottish Regiment (Princess Mary's)) in the 1939-45 War, all fought to keep Britain free from German domination. 


It galled my soul to see 'British' politicians selling Britain, lock, stock, and barrel, to the Germans under the guise of 'membership in the EU'. When the Brexit referendum was called, even tho' I am an American, I became involved in the Leave Campaign. I joined both UKIP and Leave.eu, paying my membership subscription to the former and donating to the latter.


The day of the referendum, because of the time difference, I stayed up all night, posting on social media to encourage the leave vote. I then stayed awake as the votes were tallied. It was looking very bleak for Leave when I left the house to go to the pub to 'drown my sorrows' with a dram or two.


I returned home and began to compose an obituary for Britain to post on my Facebook page. I fell asleep in my chair whilst working on it.


I was awakened by the fellow I cared for at the time. He knew that waking me unnecessarily was not a good idea to say the least! As I began to verbally flay him alive, he shouted 'Shut up! YOU WON!'


I got out of my chair, went to the front porch where the Union Jack was proudly flying, took it from its holder, and waved it as I shouted, 'We Won! God bless Britain and God damn the EU!' I'm sure my neighbours were more than a little confused!


As I said, I've waited a long time for this day! God bless a free and independent Britain, and God save the Queen!



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My blog post that went live at 23.00 London time:

It is 17.00 CDT, which means it's 23.00 in the UK and Britain is OUT OF THE EU! I've waited a long time for this day.


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Years ago, when the European Union was still the European Economic Community and was true to the vision of its founders, as a federation of free and independent sovereign States, I was a strong supporter.

As it developed into the statist, anti-Christian and anti-Western unitary behemoth under German hegemony that it has become, subsuming the sovereignty of its subject States, I became an equally strong opponent. 

My Grandfather (Gnr, Royal Field Artillery) and my Uncle (Pvt, AEF) in the Great War, and my Father (PFC, 8th USAAF) and my Uncle (Sgt, The Canadian Scottish Regiment (Princess Mary's)) in the 1939-45 War, all fought to keep Britain free from German domination. 


It galled my soul to see 'British' politicians selling Britain, lock, stock, and barrel, to the Germans under the guise of 'membership in the EU'. When the Brexit referendum was called, even tho' I am an American, I became involved in the Leave Campaign. I joined both UKIP and Leave.eu, paying my membership subscription to the former and donating to the latter.


The day of the referendum, because of the time difference, I stayed up all night, posting on social media to encourage the leave vote. I then stayed awake as the votes were tallied. It was looking very bleak for Leave when I left the house to go to the pub to 'drown my sorrows' with a dram or two.


I returned home and began to compose an obituary for Britain to post on my Facebook page. I fell asleep in my chair whilst working on it.


I was awakened by the fellow I cared for at the time. He knew that waking me unnecessarily was not a good idea to say the least! As I began to verbally flay him alive, he shouted 'Shut up! YOU WON!'


I got out of my chair, went to the front porch where the Union Jack was proudly flying, took it from its holder, and waved it as I shouted, 'We Won! God bless Britain and God damn the EU!' I'm sure my neighbours were more than a little confused!


As I said, I've waited a long time for this day! God bless a free and independent Britain, and God save the Queen!



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Claiming that Germany dominates the EU is wrong. The Federal Republic of Germany is a peaceful democracy, which doesn't pursue any territorial claims against other European countries. Comparing the Federal Republic of Germany to Nazi Germany is unacceptable. France is no less influential in the EU than Germany is.
I support Brexit, because Britain is culturally closer to the Anglosphere than to continental Europe, but claiming that Britain has been oppressed by the EU makes no sense. Membership of the EU is entirely voluntary. Nobody has tried to prevent Brexit, except British remainers. Britain has never been part of the Eurozone. 
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It is quite clear at least some Eurocrats, like Verhofstadt, have tried to stop Britain leaving. And the EU certainly didn't act in such a way to make the process as easy as possible for all concerned.
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The majority of the Scots wants independence from the UK according to recent opinion polls:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/04/scottish-independence-survey-shows-brexit-has-put-union-at-risk

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Polls, schmolls. It's referendums and elections that count. And the Guardian, poor dear, has yet to adjust itself to the yawning crevasse in its worldview left by Brexit having actually happened. So it does the reverse of the old movie song, accentuates the negative and eliminates the positive. It's best to ignore it until it is at least somewhat recovered.
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Polls, schmolls. It's referendums and elections that count. And the Guardian, poor dear, has yet to adjust itself to the yawning crevasse in its worldview left by Brexit having actually happened. So it does the reverse of the old movie song, accentuates the negative and eliminates the positive. It's best to ignore it until it is at least somewhat recovered.

The Boris Johnson government refusing to allow the Scottish government to hold an independence referendum is utterly wrong. Scotland ought to be allowed to secede from the UK, if the majority of the Scots votes in favour of it in a referendum. 
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Well, I don't agree. What is wrong is the SNP incessantly demanding another referendum, just so it can be a bigger frog in a smaller pond, when it had one and lost it not half a dozen years ago. Democracy is not asking people the same question over and over again until in simple weariness they give you the answer you want, rather than the one they want. Democracy is accepting the people's decision and getting on with things. Which is something many Remainers would have done well to bear in mind.
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Well, I don't agree. What is wrong is the SNP incessantly demanding another referendum, just so it can be a bigger frog in a smaller pond, when it had one and lost it not half a dozen years ago. Democracy is not asking people the same question over and over again until in simple weariness they give you the answer you want, rather than the one they want. Democracy is accepting the people's decision and getting on with things. Which is something many Remainers would have done well to bear in mind.

The British government refusing to allow the Scottish government to hold a new independence referendum may weaken monarchism among Scottish nationalists. I don't support Scottish independence, because Scotland is culturally closer to England than to continental Europe, but Scotland remaining a monarchy is far more important to me than Scotland remaining part of the UK.
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The British government refusing to allow the Scottish government to hold a new independence referendum may weaken monarchism among Scottish nationalists.


Scottish separatism is at it's core a profoundly republican movement.  I don't think there are any points to be won on that score.

Although the Express is quite dramatic and sensational, they have a point when it comes to the SNP.  Aside from its pipe dreams, the party has a decided lack of candor which will not serve it well. Two stories that display this.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1237297/nicola-sturgeon-scotland-latest-news-independence-referendum-snp-eu-gdp

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1237601/Nicola-sturgeon-news-SNP-EU-Brexit-Scottish-independence


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Scottish separatism is at it's core a profoundly republican movement.  I don't think there are any points to be won on that score.

Although the Express is quite dramatic and sensational, they have a point when it comes to the SNP.  Aside from its pipe dreams, the party has a decided lack of candor which will not serve it well. Two stories that display this.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1237297/nicola-sturgeon-scotland-latest-news-independence-referendum-snp-eu-gdp

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1237601/Nicola-sturgeon-news-SNP-EU-Brexit-Scottish-independence


The SNP wants Scotland to obtain independence as a Commonwealth realm. Alex Salmond is a monarchist. 
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The SNP wants Scotland to obtain independence as a Commonwealth realm. Alex Salmond is a monarchist. 


Actually, the SNP hardcore are staunchly republican and many have Irish Republican sympathies as well. The malign genius of Alex Salmond - who let's face it has been one of the most skilful politicians of the modern era in terms of bringing a movement as far as he did - is that the contempt for the monarchy held by the SNP hardcore is typically concealed, so not to alienate potential voters and sympathisers. Their presence in Westminster is about trying to use the system to destroy it.
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Actually, the SNP hardcore are staunchly republican and many have Irish Republican sympathies as well. The malign genius of Alex Salmond - who let's face it has been one of the most skilful politicians of the modern era in terms of bringing a movement as far as he did - is that the contempt for the monarchy held by the SNP hardcore is typically concealed, so not to alienate potential voters and sympathisers. Their presence in Westminster is about trying to use the system to destroy it.

The SNP won't abolish the Scottish monarchy without a referendum. Scotland will likely become a Commonwealth realm, if Scotland obtains independence from the UK, because the majority of the Scots wants to keep the monarchy, but the British government refusing to allow Scotland to hold a new independence referendum will likely strengthen Scottish republicanism. The Scottish monarchy is far more important to me than the British union. 
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The SNP won't abolish the Scottish monarchy without a referendum. Scotland will likely become a Commonwealth realm, if Scotland obtains independence from the UK, because the majority of the Scots wants to keep the monarchy, but the British government refusing to allow Scotland to hold a new independence referendum will likely strengthen Scottish republicanism. The Scottish monarchy is far more important to me than the British union. 


You're being naive
The Scottish monarchy is far more secure as part of the UK monarchy than independently.
Every SNP supporter and member with whom I have discussed it have been more than willing to drop the monarchy, though some quite like the Princess Royal, since she is "very Scottish".

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I suspect or at least hope the separatist fad dies off like it has done in Quebec. Instead there is now "soft" nationalism, which means a nationalism that accepts the existing constitutional framework. The same thing has happened to republicanism in the Commonwealth - since the Australian referendum 20 years ago, most people aren't interested in reopening the debate.
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Azadi, why do you constantly bring up the same refuted points?

As has been said before, no one - or at least few - here are objecting to the Scots having another referendum on independence. What they are objecting to is it happening within a generation of the last one. This is because that undermines stability of governance in the UK. Tell us, when would be too frequent for you? Would a referenda every year be too often? How about weekly ones? What about every afternoon after tea?
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