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Aborting a Baby Is Legal in Britain, but Depicting It Is a Crime

by Steven W. Mosher
Posted Jun 01, 2006

Our cousins in Great Britain, from whom we inherited a language, a political culture and, most specifically, the principle of freedom of speech, are going off the deep end, to judge from the jailing of Edward Atkinson.

Here's the background. Last year, the U.K. was rocked by a high-profile abortion case. This was because the demise of "Baby A," as she became known, was photographed and videotaped. This evidence of her brutal end was widely distributed in the U.K.

The abortion took place at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Kings Lynn, Norfolk, not far from where Mr. Atkinson lives. This veteran pro-life campaigner decided to educate the Hospital's chief executive, Ruth May, in the horrors of such events. He sent copies of the photographs and other literature to Ms. May.

Upon receiving the pictures, Ruth May complained to the authorities. The Director of Public Prosecutions, as district attorneys are known in the U.K., promptly ordered his arrest on the charge of "sending offensive materials through the mails." The policy then dragged the 75-year-old Catholic, who is nearly crippled with arthritis, from his home and held him in prison until his court date.

In court, the hospital staff recounted how the photographs had upset their delicate sensibilities. Ruth May's secretary, Christine Rogers, said she was "upset" when she opened the letter from Atkinson containing a picture of Baby A. The hospital's "Complaints and litigation manager," Karl Perryman, said that “as a father of two daughters he had been quite disturbed" by the images he had been shown. Ms. May herself opined that "It is upsetting for everyone." She went on to say that "I believe people who work for the National Health Service, and particularly at Queen Elizabeth Hospital, are passionate about providing excellent care for their patients."

All except for those they abort, of course. In that case their "passion" is reserved for those who have the courage to remind them of what they are doing to tiny babies. Such pricks to their (perhaps guilty) consciences make them "upset" and "disturbed."

Atkinson himself said that he had sent the images "to educate," adding "I accept that the documentation was highly distressing. It's horrendous, monstrous and sickening … but it represents the truth of what is going on in our world. Everyone in this courtroom knows that abortion is murder and no one has the guts to say it."

On the basis of the hospital staff's testimony, Mr. Atkinson was convicted and ordered to serve a month in jail. In sentencing Mr. Atkinson, District Judge Phillip Brown said "It is clear that you intended to shock and I am certain that your purpose was to cause distress and anxiety."

Somebody ought to tell the BBC, which specializes in broadcasting shocking footage from Iraq intended to cause distress and anxiety among the British public over the British troop deployments there, that these are now punishable offenses in once jolly olde England.

Mr. Atkinson was also fined 500 English pounds in court costs to be deducted directly from his pension and given a five-year anti-social behaviour order. Judge Brown warned that disobeying the order would result in five years in jail. In that case, the stalwart Mr. Atkinson replied, "you may as well lock me up and throw away the key."

He has been punished in other ways as well. The Norfolk hospital boss, Ms. May, struck him off the waiting list for a hip replacement, and now formally denies him all medical treatment save for life-threatening illnesses.

All this for having exercised his right to freedom of speech on behalf of the voiceless unborn.

I have some advice for our English cousins, at least those of the pro-life variety: someone ought to organize a postcard campaign directed at the offended hospital staff -- whose hospital apparently continues to authorize abortions, by the way. Let them complain to the police about the thousands, if not tens of thousands of postcards that they are receiving.

Ms. Ruth May
Chief Executive
Queen Elizabeth Hospital
Gayton Road, Kings Lynn
Norfolk, England
PE30 4ET

Now is the time to stand with Mr. Atkinson. They can't arrest you all.

       

                                        Mr. Mosher is president of the Population Research Institute.


http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15266

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Ah yes the "liberty"of the modern state.  That the goverment forbids this should not suprise us.  Most murderers like to cover their tracks. 


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Pink Monk, I am a pro-lifer but I pursue my agenda through the only channels by which it is legitimate and proper to do so - through my Member of Parliament. I do not endorse harrassing NHS staff in the way Mr Atkinson did. However, I am distressed to learn that Mr Atkinson has been struck off the waiting list for a hip replacement. That's not on. The sentence past on him seems pretty draconian and, I must confess, the idea that hospital workers should be distressed by pictures of operations they carry out does strike me as absurd.

 

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Pink Monk, I am a pro-lifer but I pursue my agenda through the only channels by which it is legitimate and proper to do so - through my Member of Parliament. I do not endorse harrassing NHS staff in the way Mr Atkinson did. However, I am distressed to learn that Mr Atkinson has been struck off the waiting list for a hip replacement. That's not on. The sentence past on him seems pretty draconian and, I must confess, the idea that hospital workers should be distressed by pictures of operations they carry out does strike me as absurd.

 

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Dear Sir,

I do not in any way, shape, or form advocate harrassment of anyone over this issue, but I merely wanted to point out the hypocrisy and the ridiculousness of so many people in regards to this situation.  How can people honestly justify the supposed "right" to abort children but yet be completely disgusted and feel overwhelmed at the sight of an aborted child?  This frustrates me to no end...

To further the discussion, how many here believe that abortion is indeed wrong and that a monarch (in the future) ought to ban it?  A large number of members here appear to be Catholics, so I would figure that I know the answer already, but feel free to respond.  ^.^

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Abortion should be illegal in every circumstance.  The problem is that we are forced to count on elected officials whose political future is maintaining the status quo with theatrics now and again to keep the partisans voting for their candidates.  Bush is a perfect example of a man who lied to his base to get elected and who only brings out issues important to his base when his approval rating drops.  I have found that representatives have a near perfect track record when it comes to representing their own self interests. If the unborn could only vote you would suddenly see a lot more ‘pro-life’ politicians. 


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I do not in any way, shape, or form advocate harrassment of anyone over this issue, but I merely wanted to point out the hypocrisy and the ridiculousness of so many people in regards to this situation.  How can people honestly justify the supposed "right" to abort children but yet be completely disgusted and feel overwhelmed at the sight of an aborted child?

In the same way that they justify the right to have life-saving invasive surgery but might be extremely squeamish and distressed by the sight of it.

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To further the discussion, how many here believe that abortion is indeed wrong and that a monarch (in the future) ought to ban it?

No on both counts. Abortion in some circumstances is justifiable (and the biggest aborter of all is nature, or God, if you like - between 10 and 50% of pregnancies abort naturally). And no unelected monarch should be making such decisions.

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Abortion is not a bad thing. It is the desicion of the mother carrying the baby wether to keep it or not. Anyone else, especially people of any religion should not say it is a sin for it is not. This is clear in the united states, which is a heavily religious nation. The u.s boasts about its freedom and its people's freedom but by unleashing all this fundamentalist religious crap on its own people made me realise that americans are no better than the islamic terrorists they are at war with. Why can't americans who claim to be the child of britain behave more like their parental state? I'll tell you why! Its because of a lack of a thing we britains have, MONARCHY!


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The u.s boasts about its freedom and its people's freedom but by unleashing all this fundamentalist religious crap on its own people made me realise that americans are no better than the islamic terrorists they are at war with.


While differing views on abortion are certainly permitted here, it should be kept in mind that this forum is for all types of monarchists, many of whom are deeply religious.  In fact, it would probably be fair to say that most Westerners who identify as monarchists are Christians, who if they take their faith seriously are likely to also hold traditional beliefs on moral issues.   So I must ask that rhetoric that equates American conservatives' opposition to abortion to Islamic terrorism be avoided. 

It is worth noting that the late King Baudouin of Belgium and Archduke Otto of Austria-Hungary (not to mention presumably every Christian monarch who lived before modern times) are among those opposed to abortion.  The belief that abortion should be illegal is not confined to American Republican fundamentalist Protestants, but is part of the moral code on which all of Western civilization, including its monarchies, was based.


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Abortion is not a bad thing. It is the desicion of the mother carrying the baby wether to keep it or not. Anyone else, especially people of any religion should not say it is a sin for it is not. This is clear in the united states, which is a heavily religious nation. The u.s boasts about its freedom and its people's freedom but by unleashing all this fundamentalist religious crap on its own people made me realise that americans are no better than the islamic terrorists they are at war with. Why can't americans who claim to be the child of britain behave more like their parental state? I'll tell you why! Its because of a lack of a thing we britains have, MONARCHY!

 

Well, what can I say? I appreciate your honesty, most abortionists I know at least pretend they think its unfortunate that a life is snuffed out. And why is it the decision of the mother? She didn't make the baby by herself and if she doesn't have the doctor suck out the little fella's brain then the daddy is going to have to pay child-support whether he wanted the kid or not. Why is it that when it takes two to make a baby only one has any say over whether it lives or dies? And it is the role of religion to teach about sin, what is moral and what is immoral, courts are supposed to rule on what is legal, it is only recently they have taken on the mantle of godhood and started judging what is or is not moral anymore.

 

Exactly what "fundamentalist religious crap" has the US forced on its people? Abortion is legal here, we're the #1 producer of pornography and church and state are kept seperate, none of which the flingers of "fundamentalist religious crap" tend to approve of. Unlike our British cousins we do not have an established church, nor a monarch who is "Supreme Head" of said church or who reigns "by the Grace of God". What horrible religious restrictions or commandments horrify you so much...that President Bush banned partial birth abortions? As someone who approves of "fundamentalist religious crap" I can't think of many more victories than that one.

 

On the bright side, I can't wait for you to lay this little bit of wisdom on the Islamic terrorists, I'm sure they will stop trying to kill us all when you can explain to them how we are so much alike

 

And despite what you say, I don't know anyone who would dispute the right of a mother to decide whether or not to keep her baby (though I would prefer the father be included as well) rather it is her right to KILL her baby that some folks tend to have a problem with. No one favors forcing women to keep babies they don't want, we would just prefer they don't murder them. Besides which, in this era of a myriad options for contraceptives, there is no *good* excuse for anyone having a baby they don't want. And if the mother has absolute *life or death* power over the child she is carrying, why not over a 3 or 5 year old? Isn't that some pretty awful age descrimination?  Why is it legal to kill one child at an earlier stage of development than another?

 

What a world we live in when a woman killing her own baby is considered a sacred right

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People terminate un born featuses for many reasons, like saving the woman's life or if the child is a product of rape?

 

This aside not that many people actualy have abortions.


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Okay, seriously, are you just trying to be funny now? Not that many?! There are 1.3 MILLION babies aborted every year in America alone. Before 2003 one abortion clinic in New Jersey was performing 1,500 *partial birth* abortions every week and one of the doctors who worked there openly said that, "[M]ost are for elective, not medical, reasons: people who didn't realize, or didn't care, how far along they were." The man largely responsible for this cute little form of infanticide, Martin Haskell, said himself that 80% were elective. The same is true for abortions in general, all of them. Oh yes, the right-to-kill-babies crowd love to talk about rape and incest & the life of the mother being at risk, but the fact is the overwhelming majority of abortions have nothing to do with any of that, they have to do with people being drunk, with pills being forgotten, condoms breaking, a boyfriend leaving or any of the many times today when people simply want to share the most intimate act in the world with someone they don't really trust or even like all that much but looks good in tight jeans.

 

Here's an idea: if someone is raped, the one who should die for it is the rapist, not the baby.

 

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I just love phrases like that; because it just sounds so much nicer than "killing the baby". Just like the "final solution to the Jewish question" sounded so much nicer that "gas all the Jews and incinerate their bodies". And, just like Himmler who got sick watching a death squad, even the most avowed of the death-to-babies crowd cannot stomach actually watching the results of what they support.

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Might I add that the life of the mother canard is much exaggerated.  Yes there are times when a mother's life is endangered during a pregnancy but the direct killing of the unborn is never necessary.   For example some moral theologians have argued that if a woman is in grave distress labor can be induced even when the child is too premature to live as the death of the child is not direct or directly willed but is the unfortunate result of saving the mother.


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Abortion is not a bad thing. It is the desicion of the mother carrying the baby wether to keep it or not.

 

So I suppose you're not offended by seeing pictures of it? 


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so would you lot be so brash as to call abortion MURDER?
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Of course abortion is murder, which is why I support, not only its prohibition in law, but the legal execution of all abortionists. 

 

 


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