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TheRoyalist

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He might be a Jacobite

You can say i am Jacobite, yet The House of Windsor is currently legitimate, until the Duke of Bavaria thinks otherwise that is
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or support Harold II's heir (is their one?)

Harold did had less claim to England than William

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Romanov,_Prince_of_Russia , the rightful heir to the Byzantine throne. If the Turks are fine with living under a Byzantine emperor then by all means they are welcome to stay in anatolia.


You're seriously promoting this republican?!?!?!?!?!?

And what happened to the Ottoman Sultan, who last I checked has more claim to ruling over Turkey rightfully than any Byzantine heir?


Last I checked , you support the rightful heir of any monarch irrelevant of their acceptance of their position. The Ottoman sultan is an invader and a usurper whose conquest is illegitimate. The empire will rise again. 400 years is not so short of a period to keep a revivialist movement from happening.
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And what happened to the Ottoman Sultan, who last I checked has more claim to ruling over Turkey rightfully than any Byzantine heir?

Not when you consider Il Fatih conquest of Constantinople as a usurpation
 
I agree. Every inch of Ottoman territory in Turkey was conquered from the Byzantine Emperor.

Every inch of Her Majesty's Dominion of Canada was conquered from the First Nations chiefs.


Except:
Those parts uninhabited,
Those granted by treaty in exchange of commercial trading rights.
Those liberated from previous conquerers,
And those bought from other Empires.

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Clark, you haven't even proved that Nicholas Romanov is even the heir to the Byzantine empire, so how on earth do you expect me to back you on the question of the Byzantine Empire?


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While I'd like to see a restored Empire, I'm inclined to be a bit more respectful of the law of conquest, a Turkish Empire (at least in Asian Turkey) makes the greater sense - and a restoration Caliphate might not be repulsive to the people - not the will of the people is sacrosanct, but that unwilling subjects make for expensive empires, and ones that would be difficult to establish.

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No, it's different, because HM the Queen is Christian.  It's the conquest of an ancient Christian city by Islam that Christian reactionary monarchists find unacceptable, not simply a change of dynasty.  I realize you've renounced Christianity, but you can't expect everyone else to follow suit.
 
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Clark, you haven't even proved that Nicholas Romanov is even the heir to the Byzantine empire, so how on earth do you expect me to back you on the question of the Byzantine Empire?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_Paleologue was the sister of the Andreas, the last person to have claim to the title of Emperor. After he died, it would only make sense that the next nearest relative would recieve the title, which would have been Sophia and her son Vasili III of Russia.

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Sophia Paleologi-Vasili III-Ivan IV-Feodor I-Boris Gudunov-Feodor II-Vasili IV-Michael I-Alexei I-Feodor III-Pyotr I-Ekaterina I-Pyotr II-Anna-Ivan VI-Elizaveta I-Pyotr III-Ekaterina II-Pavel I-Alexander I-Constantine I-Nicholas I-Alexander II-Alexander III-Nicholas II-Nicholas Romanovich
This is obviously for the Eastern Roman Empire, not Russia

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I do so miss Peter -
I'd love to know his take on the 'line' as presented!


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Well, first of all, the argument that Prince Nicholas Romanovich is even the head of the Romanov male line is highly dubious.  If his parents' marriage were considered dynastic, than so would be that of the genealogically senior Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich (1891-1942) and Audrey Emery (1904-1971), in which case the head of the Romanov male line today would be their American grandson Dmitri Ilyinsky (b. 1954), great-great-grandson of Tsar Alexander II.   Nicholas Romanovich is not even descended from Alexander II (1818-1881), but from his younger brother Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich (1831-1891).

"TheRoyalist" is not in any case purporting to show a direct genealogical descent, since Michael I Romanov (1596-1645) was not directly descended from earlier Russian rulers.

In any case, in my opinion the most logical choice for claimant to the throne of the Byzantine [Eastern Roman] Empire, since there is no obvious genealogical heir anyway, would be HM King Constantine II of the Hellenes (sometimes numbered Constantine XIII by romantic Greek monarchists to suggest this very idea).

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I was trying to show a line that could make possible for Nicholas Romanovich to became Basileus, i am aware it doesnt makes sense

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I've neither served nor rebelled against a Kaiser who would be insulted by the likes of you!."
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Nicholas I (1796-1855)
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Alexander II (1818-1881)    Konstantin (1827-1892)   Nikolai (1831-1891)
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Paul (1860-1919)                 Olga m. George I             Peter (1864-1931)
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Dmitri (1891-1942)              Constantine I (XII)          Roman (1896-1978)
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Paul (1928-2004)                 Paul I                                Nicholas (1922-    )
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Dmitri (1954-   )                  Constantine II (XIII)
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Well I can't say I know too much on the subject, I made a poor assumption I suppose. I do beleive its fair that the genetic link to the Eastern Roman throne was or perhaps still is still tied to the Russia throne. Perhaps no longer with Constantine. I didn't realize he was related to Nicholas Romanov I that closely.

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 Perhaps no longer with Constantine. I didn't realize he was related to Nicholas Romanov I that closely.



Which Constantine are you talking about?
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Sorry , I ment perhaps the Byzantine throne rightfully passed to Constantine and divorced it self from the Russian throne.

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