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Not bad, but why does it say "1714"?
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Oops I meant to make that 2014.  Here it is again with the correct date.



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I suppose it's about time you came up with a proposal of your own, Ethiomonarchist! [biggrin]

Of course, the proposal you've got is the equivalent of building castles in Spain, so to speak (and I'm pretty sure you know that). And the map, no offense, seems to be a mess (though I'm sure you tried). I'll try to clarify just how messy it is, along with making suggestions:

-It seems pretty sensible to me to reincorporate the rest of Silesia into Habsburg rule, given the demographic situation today. Most of the Poles living there now were themselves expelled from Eastern Poland--and it just so happens that the Poles are still nostalgic for the Habsburgs to an extent, something which simply cannot be said for the Hohenzollerns or the Romanovs.
-While Finland might be somewhat amenable to a personal union with Russia (that is, if their privileges before Tsar Nicholas II--and I really mean no offense to him--were restored), Lithuania is just a big no-no, sorry. My own preference would be a restoration of old Poland-Lithuania. And Livonia and Estonia would be better off in a personal union with Sweden--and don't forget about the Duchy of Courland and Semigallia under the House of Biron!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Sw_BalticProv_en.png/667px-Sw_BalticProv_en.png

Moving on from there...
-The Kingdom of Ukraine looks like it's going to include a good portion of Belarus.
-Romania seems to contain a part of Galicia, which as you know is old Polish/Ukrainian/Austrian territory. It also contains other Ukrainian territory that should be a part of the Crimean Khanate, should it be restored.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Crimean_Khanate_1600.gif

And moving on to any possible border disputes between Romania and the Habsburgs...
-It is rather bizarre, to be honest, to allow Habsburg Hungary to retake Slovakia and various mixed up portions of territory that now belongs to Serbia (the Bačka and most of Syrmia) without allowing them to retake places like the Banat and the crown jewel, Transylvania.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Vojvodina_gradovi.png/700px-Vojvodina_gradovi.png
(The Serbian parts of
Bačka, Syrmia, and the Banat.)

Of course, Transylvania is majority Romanian, though there is still a significant Hungarian minority (and let's not get started on the Szeklers--if nothing else, at least the Sz
ékely Land should become an exclave of the Habsburgs like Lorraine).
-Why would Serbia be limited only to most of Bosnia-Hercegovina, southern Dalmatia, Montenegro (so where would the House of Petrović-Njegoš go?), and some leftovers (like Belgrade and a part of the Banat)? I understand you're trying to make room for the Byzantine Empire, but still.
-And Bulgaria is containing the Budjak region, which, as a historically Moldavian land, ought to go to Romania. (Makes more sense than putting part of Galicia in there.) I understand there is a significant Bulgarian population there, though.
-And now for the Byzantine Empire itself. As
VivatReginaScottorum stated, "[E]ven bringing up the idea of a new Byzantine Empire is fanciful in the extreme." From what I've heard, most Orthodox monarchists seem content with how distinct monarchical traditions and dynasties exist in the Balkans, and most here are too...and then there is the risk of trying to expand into Anatolia, which (thanks to the Armenian, Assyrian, and Greek genocides) is these days by and large Islamic (and the parts which would theoretically be in the Byzantine Empire are solidly Turkish, with a few Levantines in Istanbul). (EDIT: I just remembered that there are a few Bulgarians in East Thrace as well, including the Islamic Pomaks.) A new Byzantine Empire in name only would preferably be limited to Greece.
-And regarding Constantinople, I would prefer that the Fatih district of modern Istanbul become an Eastern Orthodox equivalent of Vatican City, under the protection of various Orthodox monarchies. The Fatih district corresponds to Constantinople as it existed under the Byzantine Empire and later in the Ottoman Empire before the city began expanding in the 19th century.
-The House of Orléans, if they rule France, should return the flag of the fleur-de-lys.
-Regarding the Germanies, I like the idea of returning the Confederation under Bavarian rule...but I would go further and allow the Habsburgs to rule the Germanies again. And if you really wanted what I would consider ideal, then I would go farthest of all and restore the Holy Roman Empire, including parts of France (like Alsace) and Switzerland (the Tarasp region belonged to Austria before Napoleon came along) and also the return of its 300-or-so counties, principalities, duchies, grand duchies, prince-bishoprics, and electorates (including some 51 Imperial Cities--or more, if the regions of France were to be returned, most notably the ten cities of the Décapole in Alsace).

I'm pretty sure you'll respond, "But I can dream, can I?" (As evidenced above, I can dream too.) Still, just take these suggestions to heart, and be sure to share your Nobel Prize with me. [wink]
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I certainly can't respond in the awesome detail that AD did at such little notice. But, although I had questions, I liked the map a lot more than the one we've actually got. It was a shame that Portugal had to remain a republic, as no one will have trouble guessing I'm not too keen on restoring the States of The Church, I agree with AD's concerns about Turkey, and wasn't too sure what the poor Norwegian royal house had done to deserve eviction. But I'd still settle for what's here over what's real in a heartbeat.
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Did Ethiomonarchist say that Portugal would remain a republic?

 

Agreed about Norway; I'd leave Scandinavia as it is. While it's mildly regrettable that its personal union with the Danish crown ended in 1944, I don't have a problem with Iceland remaining a republic as it arguably had a quasi-republican tradition in the Middle Ages.

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No, but he didn't say that the kingdom would be restored either. I agree about Iceland, though it could also again be a kingdom in personal union with Denmark.
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I'm sorry about not making it clear that my carefully considered plan fully intended on a restoration of the House of Braganza to the Portuguese throne.  My abject apologies.

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I suppose it's about time you came up with a proposal of your own, Ethiomonarchist! [biggrin]

Of course, the proposal you've got is the equivalent of building castles in Spain, so to speak


Thank you for your support AugieDoggie, Theo and Peter.  Since Spain has some rather magnificent castles, thank you for predicting the ultimate success of my plan.  As to your other criticisms and suggestions, please be advised that my plans are absolutely final and binding and not up for change, and are perfectly reasonable just the way they are!!! [wink]  However, I will relent and consider your arguments.

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and wasn't too sure what the poor Norwegian royal house had done to deserve eviction


I sympathise with the former royal house of Norway, but they have been compensated with Greenland and Iceland so they should just consider it as a move to a new home rather than an eviction.   

Lithuania and the other terrritories in a union of crowns with Russia is non-negotiable I'm afraid.  These countries need to be protected from the Putinist rebles who crave them.  I will relent and grant Estonia to Sweden, but not the rest.  Courland will remain Russian, but as a vassal state under the Birons.

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-The Kingdom of Ukraine looks like it's going to include a good portion of Belarus.
-Romania seems to contain a part of Galicia, which as you know is old Polish/Ukrainian/Austrian territory. It also contains other Ukrainian territory that should be a part of the Crimean Khanate, should it be restored.


Yes that is the decision I have made.  The Crimean Khanate will not be restored, but the Khan and his family will offered the throne of Pakistan. 

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-It is rather bizarre, to be honest, to allow Habsburg Hungary to retake Slovakia and various mixed up portions of territory that now belongs to Serbia (the Bačka and most of Syrmia) without allowing them to retake places like the Banat and the crown jewel, Transylvania.

-Why would Serbia be limited only to most of Bosnia-Hercegovina, southern Dalmatia, Montenegro (so where would the House of Petrović-Njegoš go?), and some leftovers (like Belgrade and a part of the Banat)? I understand you're trying to make room for the Byzantine Empire, but still.


This was a delicate piece of work, but I'm afraid this is how it has turned out.    You're welcome.  As to the Royal House of House of Petrović-Njegoš, I would give them mediatized status and return all confiscated personal property, as well as financial compensation.  The funds for their compensation would be seized from the personal property of Rupert Murdoch along with his entire media empire. Two pesky birds, one stone.  You're welcome again.

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-And now for the Byzantine Empire itself. As VivatReginaScottorum stated, "[E]ven bringing up the idea of a new Byzantine Empire is fanciful in the extreme." From what I've heard, most Orthodox monarchists seem content with how distinct monarchical traditions and dynasties exist in the Balkans, and most here are too...and then there is the risk of trying to expand into Anatolia, which (thanks to the Armenian, Assyrian, and Greek genocides) is these days by and large Islamic (and the parts which would theoretically be in the Byzantine Empire are solidly Turkish, with a few Levantines in Istanbul). (EDIT: I just remembered that there are a few Bulgarians in East Thrace as well, including the Islamic Pomaks.) A new Byzantine Empire in name only would preferably be limited to Greece.
-And regarding Constantinople, I would prefer that the Fatih district of modern Istanbul become an Eastern Orthodox equivalent of Vatican City, under the protection of various Orthodox monarchies. The Fatih district corresponds to Constantinople as it existed under the Byzantine Empire and later in the Ottoman Empire before the city began expanding in the 19th century.


The crowns of Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Serbia and Greece have all been preserved while restoring the Byzantine Empire, so I think we've accomplished tht concern.  Anatolia is mostly muslim, but because His Byzantine Majesty will lead a tolerant and paternal regime, they should be very happy and comfortable having him reign over them.  The Patriarch of Constantinople has no need of a temporal realm, and so he can function the same way other Orthodox Patriarchs do within their own states and jurisdictions.

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-The House of Orléans, if they rule France, should return the flag of the fleur-de-lys.


In an effort to not repeat the regretable failure of Henri V to achieve restoration by insisting on the white flag, the House of Orleans will achieve their aim by adopting the compromise of accepting the tri-color, but with the white section bearing the fleur-de-lys in the exact same manner of the white banner. The Blue section will bear the emblem of the Order of the Holy Spirit, and the Red section will bear the emblem of the Order of St. Michael.  The flag will thus become entirely royalist and will have completely shed the stain of republicanism by adopting these monarchial symbols.

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-Regarding the Germanies, I like the idea of returning the Confederation under Bavarian rule...but I would go further and allow the Habsburgs to rule the Germanies again. And if you really wanted what I would consider ideal, then I would go farthest of all and restore the Holy Roman Empire, including parts of France (like Alsace) and Switzerland (the Tarasp region belonged to Austria before Napoleon came along) and also the return of its 300-or-so counties, principalities, duchies, grand duchies, prince-bishoprics, and electorates (including some 51 Imperial Cities--or more, if the regions of France were to be returned, most notably the ten cities of the Décapole in Alsace).


The Hapsburgs and the Hohenzollerns have had their chance, I think the Wittlesbachs have waited long enough for their chance at the Kaiserdom.  I think they will be far more successful in their role as German Emperors.  Your proposal for Alsace and Tarasp were considered, and I've decided that Alsace will remain French, but Tarasp can go back to Austria.

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be sure to share your Nobel Prize with me.


Much to my dismay, after all that hard work to achieve peace, prosperity and general happiness in Europe and beyond, the Nobel Committee have gone ahead and awarded the Peace Prize to some other people that clearly haven't done nearly as much as we have.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/10/world/europe/nobel-peace-prize/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Therefore, after some consideration, I am recomending (insisting) that the reconvened Congress of Vienna abolish the Peace Prize, and use the funds for the promotion of monarchy in other places not blessed with reigning soveriegn monarchies. 

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I think it might be better if the Kingdom of Ireland was re-constituted in personal union with the United Kingdom. The six counties would have to have a substantial amount of autonomy with the Union flag enjoying equal status with the tricolor.

Interestingly, Sinn Fein was not originally republican. Arthur Griffiths wanted an "Austro Hungarian" solution to the Home Rule question. Splendid regiments like the Connaught Rangers might then have remained within the British army (at least until one of our more recent Defence ministers merged them with the Catering Corps or committed some equally stupid act of vandalism).
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Name of State: Kingdom of Araucanía and Patagonia
Countries: Southern Argentina, central Chile
Type of Monarchy: Semi-constitutional monarchy
Name of Monarch: King Antoine IV
Capital: Perquenco

(Perhaps, if forced to recognize their own colonial history, Argentina would finally shut up about the Falklands. A guy can dream, right?)

Name of State: Mexican Empire
Countries: Mexico
Type of Monarchy: Federal monarchy
Name of Monarch: Emperor Maximiliano II
Capital: Mexico-Tenochtitlan

(Modeled off of the German Empire, and composed of numerous constituent states ruled by restored native dynasties: chief among them, the House of Moctezuma de Tultengo.)

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I think the Holy Roman Empire will be restored in our lifetimes, but it doesn't have to be restored all at once.
But I do not think that it will be under the Habsburgs(they seem too hell-bent on "European integration", and Paneuropeanism), maybe the Wittelsbachs though.
There has to be an Imperial Election though.

After the Election, an Imperial Diet will be called in Nürnberg, after the King/Emperor-Elect has been (symbolically) invested as the Burggraf von Nürnberg, in the Frauenkirche. The King or Emperor of the Romans will have under him Die Zwölf Paladine, and these will lead restauration efforts in certain areas(and vicinities) of the old Empire, but not ruling the territory, they will have their own estates to rule, and to help fund these efforts. The uniforms of the Reichsarmee will be yellow(gold) and black, with gold being the primary colour.

Schwaben
Böhmen
Burgund
Luxemburg
Sachsen
Württemberg
Brandenburg
Bayern
Holstein
Brabant
Canossa
Steiermark

And the situation must revert to there only being seven Electors. The Golden Bull must be respected.

Böhmen
Mainz
Köln
Trier
Brandenburg
Pfalzgraf
Sachsen

Three ecclesiastical Electors, and three secular Electors. That was the perfect balance. There will be no "Electorate of Bavaria", or of Hanover, or what have you. There should only be seven Electors.

Protestant Electors will be removed, and replaced by Catholics(Yes, I know that the Golden Bull is silent on the issue, as I have read it, but that was prior to Deformation).
Mainz and Trier must be raised to Archbishops, for historical and traditional reasons.

The House of Limburg-Styrum will be raised to the rank of Prince.

The Margraviate of Meißen is recreated as an administrative division in the Electorate of Saxony, and both will remain with the Wettin family.
The Counties of Greiz, and Vogtland will be split from Saxony, and given to the Wurmbrand-Stuppach family, and the Thurn und Taxis family, respectively.
The County of Harburg will be restored, and it will go to the Oetingen family; also the Principality of Wallerstein.
Etc., etc., etc.

I took the time to draw up a (partial) Reichsmatrikel(I have the rest on my computer) for your convenience.
Votes in the Diet will be weighted according to the following chart.

The Paladins will have 400 Kuriatstimme.

Kurfürsten
Böhmen        30
Mainz            20
Trier              12
Köln              10
Pfalzgraf        10
Brandenburg  10
Sachsen        10

Fürsten
Liechtenstein               27
Limburg-Styrum          10
Croy                           10
Thurn und Taxis           9
Oetingen (Wallerstein)  9
Friaul                           5
Auersperg                    5
Ysenburg                      5
Anhalt                          5
Hohenlohe                    5
Stolberg                       5
Windsisch-Graetz          5
Trautsmansdorff            5
Leyen                           5
Abensperg und Traun     5
Fürstenberg                  5
Wied                            5
Schwartzenberg            5
Leiningen                     5
Colloredo                     5
Khevenhüller                5
Starhemberg                5
Sayn-Wittgenstein        5
Orsini-Rosenberg         5
Lobkowicz                   5

Herzöge
Luxemburg                      12
Limburg                          9
Vaduz                             7
Bayern                           7
Kärnten                          4
Krain                              4
Steiermark                     4
Jülich                             4
Brabant                          4
Holstein                         4
Württemberg                   7
Nassau-Weilburg              7
Hessen                            4
Looz-Corswarem               4
Lippe                               4
Braunschweig-Lüneburg    4
Schaumberg-Lippe            4
Waldeck                           4
Schwartzburg                    4
Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel    4
Reuß-Greiz                          4
Mecklenburg                       4
Oldenburg                            4
Österreich                            7

Grafen
Berg                             7
Salm                             7
Wurmbrand-Stuppach    7
Wolfegg                        5
Königsegg                     5
Waldburg                      3
Esterházy                     3
Quadt-Wykradt             3
Neipperg                      3
Altena                          3
Aspremont-Lynden            3
Waldbott von Bassenheim   3
Kuefstein                           3
Castell                             3
Erbach-Erbach                3
Harach                         3
Plettenberg                  3
Schaesberg                  3
Schlitz gen. von Görtz    3
Barby                          3
Solms                        3
Toerring                     3
Rantzau                      3
Schönburg                 3
Schönborn                 3
Löwenstein-Wertheim    3
Rechteren                    3
Sternberg-Manderscheid    3
Bentinck                         3
Ortenburg                     3
Platen-Hallermund          3
Rechberg-Rothenlöwen    3
Bentheim                      3
Pückler-Limpurg           3

Herren
Hohenstaufen*    5
Wolfstein            3
Graffenegg        3
Kleven             1
Querfurt          1
Donzdorf         1
Enzberg          1
Horneck         1
Anholt            1
Ehrenfels         1
Badenweiler     1
Dagstuhl          1
Altensteig         1
Friesland         1
Edelstetten     1
Grandvillars     1
Wildenburg      1
Plettenberg       1
Nickenich           1
Gundelfingen       1
Martinstein            1
Schweppenhausen   1
Stetten                  1
Platen                   1
Plesse                 1
Gemert              1
Kronburg          1
Schliegen         1
Staufenberg     1
Overjssel         1
Rheda             1
Lage                1
Gräfenthal        1
Meßkirch           1
Schwarzenbach   1
Hartelstein         1
Mahlberg           1
Gutenstein        1
Franzenheim    1
Heideck           1
Herrstein         1
Neustadt         1
Groningen       1
Mechelen        1
Kulmbach       1
Olbrück          1
Maienfeld       1
Schillingen     1
Hausen          1
Thurnau         1
Starkenburg    1
Pyrbaum         1
Allersberg        1
Granges           1
Greifensee        1
Welzheim          1
Kastelberg        1
Wildenburg      1
Storcow          1
Triberg           1
Staufeneck     1
Schwabegg     1
Koevoden        1
Altensteig        1
Neuburg          1
Rheinfelden      1
Passavant         1
Ehrenburg        1
Héricourt          1
Eglingen           1
Knyphausen      1
Asch                 1
Barmstedt         1
Wildenstein        1
Kettershausen     1
Jagdberg            1
Schmalkalden     1
Losenstein         1
Eglofs               1
Gerlachsheim    1
Varel                1
Dreis                1
Justingen          1
Myllendonk       1
Hohfels            1
Wasserburg      1
Eltz                 1
Pluwig             1
Schnellberg     1
Wartau            1
Osterberg        1
Rötteln            1
Neustadt         1
Wädenswil       1
Tarasp             1
Fagnolle           1
Weinsburg        1
Donbirn            1
Homburg          1
Esterau            1
Seinsheim        1
Rheintal           1
Finstingen        1
Wiesentheid     1
Gemen             1
Runkel              1
Itter                  1
Stettenfels          1
Herrenzimmern    1
Stein zu Nassau    1
Wallhausen          1
Gimborn             1
Kuefstein           1
Waadt              1
Schwarzen        1
Grävenstein       1
Staufenstein       1
Reipoltskirchen    1
Westerburg         1
Wain                  1
Gondorf             1
Reichenweier     1

Each Reichsritter will have ½ Virilstimme.

A lot of States are missing, as I am still working on it, oh well, maybe I get back around to you on that! [biggrin]
Some States will be restored unexpectedly, as above, but I think there will be even more surprises.
Now some people might think it would be unfair and even unjust, to give Luxemburg more votes than Bayern,
but actually, because of Bavaria's crucial Geopolitical position, it would be pretty much evened out.


Aside from all that, and as the Habsburgs have absolutely ZERO chance of being restored to Böhmen(at least while Karl is "head of house"), there should be a royal election among the Czech and Moravan nobility. Morava and Slezsko are awarded more autonomy within the Czech state, Liechtenstein gets Troppau, Jägerndorf, u.s.w.

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But I do not think that it will be under the Habsburgs(they seem too hell-bent on "Eurooean integration", and Paneuropeanism)


To be fair, the sort of Paneuropeanism the late Archduke Otto represented was the Christian kind; in effect, a modernized attempt to continue the ideals of the Empire as it existed under Charles V, when the Habsburg Empire as a whole was indeed a pan-European empire. (The rights to the Kingdoms of Hungary and Bohemia were under Ferdinand I by 1526, when Charles V was still in his prime.)

Regarding Bohemia, sadly, the slanders and libel hoisted upon the Habsburgs by the nationalist republicans have indeed been quite effective. What makes it even worse is the anti-Catholic bias that has accompanied it (is it any wonder that the Bohemian lands are so irreligious these days?).

And I agree that the actions of Karl von Habsburg have not helped the situation. I do believe that the prolific Habsburg biographer, Gordon Brook-Shepherd, stated once to the effect that if the Empress Zita were still alive, she would never have allowed Karl to go down the path he did.
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But I do not think that it will be under the Habsburgs(they seem too hell-bent on "Eurooean integration", and Paneuropeanism)


To be fair, the sort of Paneuropeanism the late Archduke Otto represented was the Christian kind; in effect, a modernized attempt to continue the ideals of the Empire as it existed under Charles V, when the Habsburg Empire as a whole was indeed a pan-European empire. (The rights to the Kingdoms of Hungary and Bohemia were under Ferdinand I by 1526, when Charles V was still in his prime.)


This may be correct, but then why did he try to pursue it through the EU? It is hard to think of an institution so antagonistic to such goals. Perhaps, he just didn't realise its true nature.


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Sadly, that just might be the case. I wonder, have you read the interview Jørn K. Baltzersen had with the late Archduke? He makes good points (like how international influence is often opposed to monarchy), but I believe him to have been too lenient on the EU.
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In any case, any attempt at creating a single Europe state(or federation, or the United States of Europe) is ultimately
going to fail, because it is a logical, historical, cultural, social, economic, and even religious, impossibility.

The next war on the North European Plain will be fought long before this happens(and probably not over federation), and even if the Euro-federalists were to win a war over federation, it would mean civil unrest and likely more war, and there would never be a federation.

The solution to the German Question, and there is one, and it may dismay some people, is essentially, fragmentation.
Memories come back very quickly, and we all know that a 'united' Germany will eventually spell disaster for the rest of
Europe, and- oh wait... [redface]
It already is!

So (re-)fragmentation may be the safest choice, though I doubt that Germans would admit to it. Actually, it is probably the last thing that they would want!
But... so is the Restauration of the any monarchy.

Germany has been nothing but trouble ever since 1870. Prior to that, few people even looked in that direction(with the major exceptions
being Austria and Prussia). But no one feared Germany, as they were always relatively weak, and France is protected by the Alps,
Great Britain is an island, etc. Germany feared Poland more than Poland feared Germany!
And since 1870 Germany has never exercised a subtle balance of power for very long(without the United States
breathing down their necks) but maybe they will surprise me this time([nono] I don't think so).

I am very probably wrong about my specifics, as we are all going to be; but we can be sure of one thing, and that is that whatever the
situation is currently, it is not going to stay that way. Things are changing, and they will change whether or not we want them to.
Monarchists need to be prepared to take advantage of changes, because we can be quite sure that the enemies of monarchy will try!
The last 100, or even 200+ years of widespread republicanism, "democracy and freedom", etc., have been anomalous.
I believe that we are exiting that age, and entering one of more normal conditions.
We are already seeing the destruction(or disappearance) of the middle class, as some people will point out(and blame on Obama [rolleyes])
But the middle class was really an anomaly, and the modern nation-state, also an anomaly, was built around it.

For these reasons I am optimistic, almost to the point of delirium, that the future belongs to monarchy and the normal conditions of civilization.

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Personally, I would consider the First Reich my ideal as well. (The great Erik Maria Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn suggested, in his WWII-era book "The Menace of the Herd" (in which he mentions the Germanies--and that was BEFORE the BRD and DDR divisions!), suggested that something like the First Reich be restored.) This was the period of the Germanies' great cultural flowering, with the scattered monarchies ensuring that German culture was spread evenly throughout the region (just look at how many centers of publishing there are in the Germanies, compared to how France has only Paris and the U.S. have only New York).

The first (monarchical) period of Second Reich, in its being more centralized, resulted in economic growth....at the expense of culture. The few exceptions to the rule only existed because the individual (but now heavily truncated) monarchies still had some degree of independence--hence the Theater Duke and Wagner. (Regarding the latter, it helped that Bavaria carved out a reputation as being the most independent-minded monarchy in the new Reich.) Things became worse when the Second Reich was (idiotically) forced into its republican period--centralization continued as the former Wettin monarchies outside of Saxony proper were consolidated into "Thuringia". And then the National Socialists came....

I still think the Habsburgs should be the Holy Roman Emperors, to be honest. And regarding Bohemia, let me paraphrase Jan Smuts by saying that if a Central European nation does not want the Habsburgs, change the nation's mind. If said nation does not need the Habsburgs, change the nation's needs. (Of course, it would greatly help if the Haus Habsburg was more explicit in championing their Imperial-Royal heritage.)

Also, why didn't you ask me for a list of the all the states in the Holy Roman Empire? I actually have a rather comprehensive list, including states that got mediatized to Brandenburg-Prussia! I even have them arranged in the Imperial Circles...[biggrin]
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