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BaronVonServers

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Reborn!!!!

Name of State: The Mexican Empire
Countries: Mexico, Texas, Florida, California, New Mexico - And every former mexican state...
Type of monarch: Emperor - Semi-Absolute
Name of Monarch: Emperor Maximilian III
Capital: Mexico City

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The Floridas will remain Dominions of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, and her heirs and successors according to law.

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It wouldn't be a weird idea, if people didn't hold onto  foolish ideas as nation-states and nationalism (the destruction of many a monarchy )

I am rather disturbed that you think nation-states and nationalism are "foolish ideas" ... by that logic it's completely fine to flood Britain with millions upon millions of unassimilable third world immigrants so long as the monarchy remains? Completely fine that an overbearing European Union makes most of Britain's (and other member states') laws as long as the monarchy isn't touched?

At least in my mind, monarchy is indivisible from the nation; if the nation is essentially an extended family, then the king is the great family patriarch - the clan/tribal chieftain. The word 'king' even comes from 'kin', meaning 'family'.

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Which 'third world' immigrants do you have in mind?

The EU makes itself an Empire - the monarchy is lessened by any Kingdom's membership.  Standing against those who would reduce the Queen to an ornament means standing against the EU.  On that point we have common ground.

The Crown, the Empire and the Commonwealth are threatened by the unfettered Nationalism of India, of Canada, of Scotland, of England, of Pakistan, of South Africa.

Do you not realize that even the Lion, King of Beasts has no kinship with the majority of his 'subjects'? 

Nationalism is for petty tyrants and ignorant children of lesser men.


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It really depends whether one regards monarchy as a good totally in and of itself and that anything that threatens monarchy is therefore an evil. Speaking hypothetically, and being Australian myself, if Japan had invaded and conquered Australia during WW2, would I be expected to (now, in 2011) give my allegiance to the Japanese Crown and Empire? Would I be regarded as a "petty tyrant" or "ignorant child" if I were to fight to restore Australia to its true Queen, thus threatening the Japanese Emperor's dominion over Australia? Even if Australia were part of an extremely successful Japanese economy and technologically-advanced Empire?

You see, I can sympathise with Indian, Scottish, Irish, and Pakistani nationalism even though it is directed against the Crown. The Empire did great things for the colonies (esp. India), and in Scotland's case, the Union, but you should never expect, nor demand, conquered peoples to do away with their own identity and give their allegiance to their conquerors. Nor can you chide them for wishing for independence or their own king.

As for Canadian, Australian, New Zealand so called republican "nationalism", it is more useful to refer to that as anti-British bigotry than nationalism, or at best, "pseudo-nationalism". It ignores the fact that from their very inception, these countries have been reigned over by the British Monarch and were created through British colonisation and settlement. Their cultures, populations and institutions are invariably British or British-based. Honestly, the Australian republicans seem to try to make out that we're all Aborigines who have been conquered by these foreigners and have had the monarchy imposed upon us.

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The EU makes itself an Empire


I am going to say this once "I HATE THE EU"

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@Baron: PArdon me, I forgot The West Florida
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It really depends whether one regards monarchy as a good totally in and of itself and that anything that threatens monarchy is therefore an evil. Speaking hypothetically, and being Australian myself, if Japan had invaded and conquered Australia during WW2, would I be expected to (now, in 2011) give my allegiance to the Japanese Crown and Empire?

Yep, Romans 13
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Would I be regarded as a "petty tyrant" or "ignorant child" if I were to fight to restore Australia to its true Queen,

If Her Majesty's government were still at war, you'd be a loyalist.  If Her Majesty had given over control to the Emperor, you'd be an 'ignorant and rebellious child' - or worse.
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thus threatening the Japanese Emperor's dominion over Australia? Even if Australia were part of an extremely successful Japanese economy and technologically-advanced Empire?

That makes no difference really - the degree of oppression might, but you'd have to go a long way to top Nero's Rome.
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You see, I can sympathise with Indian, Scottish, Irish, and Pakistani nationalism even though it is directed against the Crown.

I don't 'sympathize' with rebels.
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The Empire did great things for the colonies (esp. India), and in Scotland's case, the Union, but you should never expect, nor demand, conquered peoples to do away with their own identity and give their allegiance to their conquerors.

There 'identity' - of course not, that would be nationalism on the part of the Empire.
Their allegiance, certainly!
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Nor can you chide them for wishing for independence or their own king.

Not only 'can I', so 'I do'.
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As for Canadian, Australian, New Zealand so called republican "nationalism", it is more useful to refer to that as anti-British bigotry than nationalism, or at best, "pseudo-nationalism".

Special pleadings not withstanding......
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It ignores the fact that from their very inception, these countries have been reigned over by the British Monarch and were created through British colonisation and settlement.

Well, except for the first nations, Quebec, the far west....(In Canada)
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Their cultures, populations and institutions are invariably British or British-based.

You been to Quebec lately?
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Honestly, the Australian republicans seem to try to make out that we're all Aborigines who have been conquered by these foreigners and have had the monarchy imposed upon us.

And right proper that they were.

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Other microstates:

Name of State: Kingdom of Spain
Countries: Current Spain, Central America, Morocco, Peru, Colombia, Venezuela, Chile, Argentina and all the Spanish Southern America.
Type of Monarch: Semi-Absolute
Name of Monarch: Sixte I
Capital: Madrid

Name of State: Kingdom of Poland and Lithuania
Countries: Poland and Lithuania - Less the former German territories
Type of Monarch: King - Semi-Constitutional
Name of Monarch: We don´t have an inconstenstable claimant. 
Capital: Varsaw


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HM Juan Carlos is King of Spain.
I don't think supporting usurpers is proper.


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HM Juan Carlos is King of Spain.
I don't think supporting usurpers is proper.



In fact it is forbidden on this forum.

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It ignores the fact that from their very inception, these countries have been reigned over by the British Monarch and were created through British colonisation and settlement.

Well, except for the first nations, Quebec, the far west....(In Canada)
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Their cultures, populations and institutions are invariably British or British-based.

You been to Quebec lately?



Or the solidly Ukrainian areas of Saskatchewan and Alberta, or the good sized Icelandic settlements and the massive Chinatowns in every large Canadian city. Invariably British or British-based! What twaddle!

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Jacobitism is allowed here. Why isn´t Carlism? 
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Jacobitism is allowed here. Why isn´t Carlism? 


Jacobitism isn't allowed either. It is forbidden to question the legitimacy of any of the de facto ruling monarchs of today. We can argue endlessly about the French, Portugese or Italian succession since those countries are not currently monarchies, but we cannot advocate for a different line to supplant the one that is actually reigning.

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@Jovan: I didn´t speak anything against the legitimacy of the current ruling King. This game is only about how would you arrange the countries. 
@BaronVonServers: I also didn´t support any usurper. 
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Your 'fantasy' listed someone other than the reigning monarch as King of Spain.  Looked like support for the usurper to me.

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