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I like the idea, but can't say I agree with him down the line.   Perhaps, a fellow-traveler? 

http://anarcho-monarchism.com/about/

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I like the idea, but can't say I agree with him down the line.   Perhaps, a fellow-traveler? 

http://anarcho-monarchism.com/about/


Tolkien refered to himself by the same term.

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I know... I like the idea. Here's Tolkien's famous quote in a letter to his son in 1943, during the War.

My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning the abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs)—or to ‘unconstitutional’ Monarchy. I would arrest anybody who uses the word State (in any sense other than the inanimate real of England and its inhabitants, a thing that has neither power, rights nor mind); and after a chance of recantation, execute them if they remained obstinate! If we could go back to personal names, it would do a lot of good. Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so to refer to people. . . the proper study of Man is anything but Man; and the most improper job of any man, even saints (who at any rate were at least unwilling to take it on), is bossing other men..Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity. At least it is done only to a small group of men who know who their master is. The mediaevals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Grant me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you dare call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers. And so on down the line. But, of course, the fatal weakness of all that—after all only the fatal weakness of all good natural things in a bad corrupt unnatural world—is that it works and has only worked when all the world is messing along in the same good old inefficient human way. . . . 

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I have a friend who is a self-identified Anarcho-Monarchist. We get on well but as I'm quite statist and tend towards nationalized healthcare and social welfare, while Anarcho-Monarchism is a subset of Anarcho-Capitalism, we don't agree when it comes to economics! I must confess, I've never fully understood Anarcho-Monarchism. It doesn't actually seem to have any unified opinion on what's "monarchist" about it, with some saying it is fully anarchist but prefers absolute monarchy to democracy if there must be a state, and others talking about a libertarian society focused around a "totem monarch" with no power. There's another interesting (though historically incorrect- these people need to read up on the Narodniks who were definitely not friends of the Czar) article on Anarcho-Monarchism here: http://www.1984.moonfruit.com/anarcho-monarchism/4537904130. Unfortunately this interesting little group seems to have lapsed into inactivity.
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I'm not an anarcho-capitalist nor do I think Tolkien was one.  So I wouldn't say anarcho-monarchism is a subset of anarcho-capitalism, but that a subset of anarcho-capitalists are anarcho-monarchists.  

Is that enough -ists and -isms?   

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The philosophy of the blog author seems rather confused. For one thing, it seems to me that the title of "anarcho-monarchist" is more incendiary than real, which is not necessarily a bad thing. It seems as if he rejects the modern state, and calls this "anarchism." However, at times he seems to go beyond that and reject the state in any form at all, but then backtracks again. He seems to do that on the other pages he links to at the bottom of the "about" page.

This statement is a case in point:

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I categorically and fundamentally reject the modern democratic, egalitarian, and majoritarian State in favor of natural libertarian hierarchy, polycentric law, paternalistic society, and private-property anarchism.


It is obvious to most that his idea of "natural libertarian hierarchy" is incoherent. The idea of a hierarchical society does not comport with the idea of a libertarian one. If there is a natural hierarchy, then one should obey their superiors, at least under ordinary conditions. If society ought to be libertarian, then the so-called "superiors" cannot command anything, and so are not much of a "superior." Same thing with paternalism, if there is no necessary obligation between men and society, which is what every anarcho-capitalist I have read indicates, then paternalism goes out of the window.

He also appeals to Murray Rothbard in a list of thinkers he associates with, which kicks against the goads of his conservative Christian temperament. Murray Rothbard was a man who believed it was acceptable to abort a child in the womb, not because it was not human, but because the child was "invading" the woman's body that it inhabited. In this case, Rothbard did not even believe in what is considered by most conservative Christians to be a basic maternal duty. It is hard to imagine him agreeing with a paternalistic society as a whole when he did not even believe that basic familial duties were anymore than self-imposed.

Basically, it seems he has two social philosophies: paternalistic hierarchy, which very easily leads to monarchy, and then libertarianism, which leads to atomistic individualism. Trying to combine the two just makes you sound like an irrational nut. Having traveled in libertarian groups in the past (I supported the Ron Paul 2008 campaign), it's quite possible the blogger is somewhat nutty.

 


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How does one enforce private property rights, and "natural libertarian hierarchy" under any form of anarchy?  This entire premis is confusing.
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It seems to me, from my experience, that most anarchists actually want traditional monarchy, and just don't realize it. They make the important step of realizing that the modern state is flawed and corrupt, and then get sucked in by the teachings of philosophers who took that to mean that all society should boil down to capitalism. This particular anarcho-monarchist is a prime example: he is economically an agrarian-distributist free-market capitalist, politically a libertarian monarchist, and so on. He is doing an admirable job of grasping for the truth, but has yet to fully discover it.
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I like the cut of this fellow's jib!

Like me, he would prefer no coercive state to exist but if one needs to let be monarchical rather than democratic. Though I do enjoy the pomp and ceremony maybe more than he does as he doesn't mention it anywhere I saw.

Like I've said before I'd be perfectly happy with a monarchy that left me alone and didn't subject me to the idiot opinions of my neighbors via the voting process.

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As long as I have the freedom of arms,  the mobility of labor and capital, low taxes, minimal to no regulations on business activity and no mandatory religious anything I'll be quite happy to not have a say at all.


Imagine a country with no elections, yet a minimalist government headed by a trained-from-birth professional that protects the rights of the citizenry or does not interfere with people protecting their rights through various market-driven or co-op mechanisms.

I can, and it is glorious!
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As an interesting side note- little known science fiction author John Whitbourn apparently describes himself as a "Counter-Reformation Green Anarcho-Jacobite."

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?John_Whitbourn

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