MozartBoy
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Quote: Originally Posted by EthiomonarchistWhy the Queen of Dixie??? Shouldn't it be King Henri? Isn't the Count of Paris rightful monarch of Louisiana? Or perhaps Lois Alphonso...
I was thinking of Queen Elizabeth.
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DRees
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As much as I wish it could happen, the idea of a monarchy in the U.S. (as a unified country) seems like more of a pipe dream than anything else. I live in a place (Berkeley, CA) which is sort of a hotbed for eccentric ideas, but when I tell people that I'm a monarchist (albeit of the constitutional variety), most people just make little circles around their heads. I did manage to convince my roommate of the advantages of monarchy. He went to a party and talked to a guy from Norway who told him I was right on target in everything I said. But, for most Americans, the idea of the U.S. becoming a monarchy is simply unthinkable. It goes against nearly everything they were taught to believe.
However, if the U.S. splits up into fragments, at least a few of them might become monarchies. Hawai'i is an obvious possibility, but there is also the chance that groups of people might form entirely new entities, and some of them might be willing to consider the idea of monarchy. And what about some of the Indian nations that retain at least a vestige of monarchy?
I do hope that some of the arguments presented in this forum help to persuade Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders and others fortunate enough to already have monarchies to hold on to a good thing--and maybe persuade others to bring it back. For God's sake, don't let the U.S. tell you that it has the world's best form of government! It doesn't, believe me!
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Quote: Originally Posted by DRees
But, for most Americans, the idea of the U.S. becoming a monarchy is simply unthinkable. It goes against nearly everything they were taught to believe.
You're right, of course, but sometimes I still can't help wondering, why? Why do most Americans--most people?--simply accept what they were taught, at least on this subject, and never question the superiority of democracy or republicanism to monarchy (by which I mean the kind in which the monarch actually governs)? After all, I was taught the same narrative, and rejected it. What is so damned intoxicating about Americanism? It never appealed to me.
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Quote: However, if the U.S. splits up into fragments, at least a few of them might become monarchies. Hawai'i is an obvious possibility, but there is also the chance that groups of people might form entirely new entities, and some of them might be willing to consider the idea of monarchy. And what about some of the Indian nations that retain at least a vestige of monarchy?
You describe a dream that is the only thing that keeps me going...
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I think it's because the idea of republicanism is just so damned ethically facile. It's what most people want to believe--if they know nothing about history, and have given no real thought to how governments actually operate, as opposed to how they are supposed to operate. We still like to believe that our Presidents were all born in log cabins--never mind that Chester A. Arthur was the last one who actually was.
I remember talking to a friend of mine about Princess Di, and all the wonderful things she did for ordinary people. "That was easy for her--living in a palace!" my friend shouted. "But that's why you have the palaces!" I replied.
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Quote: It's what most people want to believe--if they know nothing about history, and have given no real thought to how governments actually operate, as opposed to how they are supposed to operate.
Alas, America is far too brainwashed by the "Great American Myth" if you will, to ever be converted en masse. It's something I have given serious thought to for quite a long time, and have concluded that the only real way for America to change is to do something men of action will despise: Wait.
America has been the way it has been for the better part of 200 years. Republicanism and Americanism are firmly entrenched as unbreakable, unchallengeable pillars of national belief. You and I may try our hardest to dent it, and perhaps occasionally, as in the case of your roommate, we will. But overall, in the case of these "revolutionary" thoughts, like any disease we will just have to wait for the world's immune system to purge itself.
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