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Wessexman

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As you say, that was a parenthetical comment. It wasn't my main point, clearly, and it seems strange to make a broad comment on my role in this thread upon that, especially as my overall point was eminently sensible. Indeed, I'd go so far as saying more than a contrarian perspective I'm offering balance and restraint. This has been missing from so much real world coverage of Trump.

What you outline is actually quite similar in substance, it seems to me, to what was offered to Trump Jr. He was offered information about the Clintons' dealings with Russia. Still, you are correct there is no direct evidence to link to Clinton herself. Now, this is sort of implied by what I said (that's why surrogates are used - to create distance), but I take the point. There's no direct evidence here of a link to Clinton herself and I withdraw my parentheses.

To be honest, I don't perhaps think all conjecture about Trump (or anyone else) is off limits. Some conjecture will always occur and might not be a bad thing. But it should be restrained, level-headed, and proportionate to the actual evidence. What we get with Trump is a deluge of innuendo, conjecture, and silliness, seemingly to match his own silliness.
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As a huge Peter Simple fan, I enjoyed this article on what he would make of today's politics:


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450150/trump-era-political-satire-enacted-real-life-see-petersimple

Here's a good article on CNN's Jim Acosta's latest sins against decent journalism , and what actions from journalists like him are doing to media credibility (already low):

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450152/cnn-jim-acosta-journalism-harmed


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While the daily press briefing has always been a form of theater, the ground rules — under which even the most aggressive questioners sought to ask questions rather than engage in advocacy — have generally been observed. The country learned a lot watching various White House spokespersons squirm under the pressure as they scrambled to defend the policies of their bosses. But as contentious as these exchanges have sometimes been, the White House correspondents taking part in the show generally stuck to asking probing multi-part questions rather than making speeches. But all that ended on Wednesday, when CNN’s Jim Acosta got the chance to query senior Trump aide Stephen Miller about the administration’s support for a new bill that would cut legal immigration.


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Well one thing you could never call President Trump is predictable...

In recent days it seems his best friends in Washington are suddenly House Minority Leader Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Schumer .  Talk of deals to protect the "Dreamers" and the recent deal tying hurricaine relief to raising the debt ceiling and extending funding for the government in the short term has pulled the rug out from Speaker Ryan and Majority Leader McConnel.  This reaching accross the aisle by the President is proving popular with the public, but not too pleasing to the Republican Congressional leadership, or for the President's anti-immigration base.  Trump has also alarmed his base with his new tweet that seems to walk away from his dreams of a giant wall blocking off Mexico that caused rapturous applause among his base.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/14/media/pro-trump-media-daca-dreamers/index.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-majority-approve-trump-apos-080000552.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/3f6effa4-cafe-3a9e-abba-e7bf956b07ed/ss_chuck-schumer%2C-nancy-pelosi.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-democrats-agreement-reached-trump-023901664.html

Even his devoted Ann Coulter is turning on him.  

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ann-coulter-says-everyone-wants-130119418.html

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He's predictably unpredictable. Other constants of his career have been lies, treachery, shameless self-contradiction and general shamelessness. He'll betray his new Democrat friends soon enough, I can quite confidently predict.
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Shameless is the perfect term for him.
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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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The Trump speech to the Useless Nitwits (UN) is everything I hoped it would be:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/19/remarks-president-trump-72nd-session-united-nations-general-assembly

Covers a lot of ground - North Korea, Iran and Venezuela, emphasising that socialism never worked.
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A very moving and effective speech there and I welcome both it's content and tone. I applaud the remarks about Iran and Venezuela and also the acknowledgement of the actual threat that North Korea imposes upon the entire world. As for actions regarding sovereignty it is long overdue that this be brought to the attention of the nations of the world as without strong nation-states you have but nothing at all (and restoring strong national Sovereigns would be a major plus in this regard).
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You people are nuts, you support this? See this is why people dies, we can't trust Europeans let alone America to police the world. They're violent in nature and so I support the refugees crises as coup de grace.
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And Socialism does work, DavidV. You'll be extinct if not for Socialism liberating you from the nazis.
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Stop pushing that trope. Just go away you troll.
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You people are nuts, you support this? See this is why people dies, we can't trust Europeans let alone America to police the world. They're violent in nature and so I support the refugees crises as coup de grace.


Well, I don't agree about the refugee crisis, but I wasn't a fan of the speech, personally. It seems to illustrate Trump's move from foreign policy realism to establishment neoconservatism, although there has been plenty of warning on this:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/trumps-belligerent-u-n-speech/

Very little can be done about North Korea, for example, given its support from China and Russia and the immediate threat it poses to South Korea. Irresponsible rhetoric from Trump is not helpful. Military intervention would not only likely cause a huge loss of life in South Korea, but could risk a much larger conflict. I think Peter Hitchens had an interesting suggestion - reach out to North Korea, as in Burma. All else that could work, without causing devastation, has been tried.

I also find Trump's position on Iran deal troubling and irresponsible. It seems Trump wants his own Iraq war to really cap off his presidency. As has been pointed out many Iran hawks, like Rubio and McCain, would be happy for war:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/yes-iran-hawks-want-conflict-with-iran/

It is interesting that there have been high profile attacks on realists by the neocon right and the, not entirely unrelated, liberal internationalist left at this time:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/foreign-policy-realists-hit-nerve-with-establishment-elite/


http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/two-tedious-attacks-on-realists/
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And Socialism does work, DavidV. You'll be extinct if not for Socialism liberating you from the nazis.


You mean after Stalin worked with Hitler to divide Poland and before he enslaved Eastern Europe himself, right?
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I want to see the Iranian regime overthrown and the monarchy restored. I also want to see enemies of the West ultimately crushed. I don't apologise for those things. Unless you are deluded into thinking the regime is some nice one that can be dealt with or have some stupid reason for defending its existence.
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The question for me is more about what can be achieved, and what are the costs and benefits of particular courses of action. I tend to be sceptical of the overall benefits, relative to costs, of a lot of intervention. Against North Korea, for example, there seems little that can be achieved, except for massive destruction if Trump is foolish enough to take military action. There are certainly regimes in the world I'd love to see overthrown (assuming something better replaces them, which is always a big assumption), but I would only support such action when the benefits clearly outweighed the costs, especially as concerns England's national interest.

Most regimes can be dealt with, at least with a combination of carrot and stick. Most regimes like these are opportunistic. They will take what opportunities pop up, and they will endeavour to maintain their national interests, as seen by the regime. America should deal with them in this way, with the aim not of dominating all the world and being it policeman, but maintaining basic peace and stability and America's national interest. Unfortunately, neither the neoconservatives nor their liberal internationalist cousins see it this way. They wish, in different ways, to make ideological crusades central to foreign policy.
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Is it only England or Britain you identify with? Britain achieved its glories together, not alone.
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