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In fairness to Republicans, the Democrats bear some of the responsibility for the healthcare situation. Not only did they draw up Obamacare, which itself was a disaster and is more or less falling apart, but they and their media chums have spent so much time portraying Republicans as wanting to push old people of cliffs and the like, that they have created a toxic atmosphere where some Republicans are scared to act. Of course, that doesn't mean Republicans shouldn't get their act together and pass proper reforms.


Hello Wessexman

You need to keep in mind that prior to Obamacare, there was no health-insurance at all for millions of low-income citizens. They had no access to regular doctors' appointments, medical exams, diagnostic procedures, prescription drugs, or treatment for ongoing medical conditions, even life-threatening ones. Their only recourse was to the hospital emergency room, which would treat injuries and provide pain-management treatments, but which provided no ongoing care. It also clogged up the emergency-rooms, which had to go by triage standards, and waiting times in urban hospitals were often over 24 hours. Obamacare provided health-insurance to millions of people whose employers didn't provide it,  who were unemployed, or who simply couldn't afford it. (On a minimum-wage income, the employee's share could cost one third of weekly gross pay, even if one's employer paid the greater share.)  Obamacare  was actually a great improvement, though it's inefficient and far from perfect. It's administered partly by the government, and partly by the insurance companies. (Government subsidies reimburse the insurance companies).  Millions more people who qualified for it were unable to get it because of the very complicated, computerized application procedures. It's also inefficient, and very, very expensive.

A better system would be single-payer national health-insurance, similar to what's been in effect in Canada and Europe for many years. (I'm not sure how Australia's health-insurance system works.) But in the U.S.A., political campaigns are funded by private donations to candidates. And the insurance companies are one of the largest contributors to  political campaigns. The candidates are all beholden to them, and will always vote in their interests. It would have been completely impossible for Obama to get a national health insurance system approved by Congress, and the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) was the best he could do. Hopefully this will change at some point in the future, but I don't see how.

It's true that the present political atmosphere is very toxic and uncivil. We can only hope that the Republicans and Democrats can eventually see beyond their political alliances in Washington, and can manage to work together for the good of the whole country, and not just their own supporters and power-bases.



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In fairness to Republicans, the Democrats bear some of the responsibility for the healthcare situation. Not only did they draw up Obamacare, which itself was a disaster and is more or less falling apart, but they and their media chums have spent so much time portraying Republicans as wanting to push old people of cliffs and the like, that they have created a toxic atmosphere where some Republicans are scared to act. 


You are right, Obamacare is far from perfect, and there were lots of fixes required. As Windemere said above, there were far better alternatives. However it was not a disaster and only started circling the drain when its opponents assaulted it by increasingly de-funding it.  The fact that it was not a disaster and had many very sound elements can be attested to by some very conservative governors such as Jan Brewer in Arizona (a bitter foe of President Obama) who are fighting tooth and nail to save the expansion of Medicare that it enacted and which would be a disaster if it is reversed as the Trumpcare plans wish to do.  To strip away all health coverage from 22 million people (probably more) and then require the rest to take over a much larger share of costs individually is political suicide and the Republicans should absolutely be terrified to do so.  What needed to be done was to fix Obamacare, not gut the entire system and cause major upheaval for people across the board.

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How is pushing a narrative you know is nonsense (actually, the term was more colourful) calling out the president? A senior producer was caught admitting the entire Russia-Trump narrative is rubbish, without evidence, and likely to remain that way. Yet CNN spends as much as 92% of its coverage on it, as if it were a lost plane


I'm not sure why you are so certain that this "narrative" is nonsense.  Both the FBI and the Mueller investigations continue at full pace, and indeed Mueller seems to be building his team including some rather heavy hitting prosecutors.  That doesn't sound like a narrative that is nonsense.  The producer you mentioned that was caught on camera did explain that he did not mean the narrative is rubbish, rather that it was a waste of time because the Republican congress would never impeach their party's president.  The media on the other side of the political divide have very conveniently glossed over that particular detail.  This illustrates how polarized even the media is.  


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Please provide support for the claim about the senior producer. That seems a stretch as an interpretation of his comments. He talked about the narrative being rubbish but being pushed from above. It doesn't quite make sense to say what he meant by it being rubbish is the Republicans wouldn't impeach (for a start they would, given clear evidence of damning wrong doing). There is a history of left crying distortion with these kinds of video when there isn't any (like in the the Planned Parenthood case). But the left-liberal media makes sure the mud sticks.

On the Russia-Trump collusion story, and the obstruction of justice one, there has so far been not a shred of any real evidence. I have posted many links on this in this thread. I can repost them. More has come out on this score showing wrong doing in the Obama administration than from Trump and his campaign or administration. For example, there is far more evidence that has emerged that Lorreta Lynch obstructed the Clinton email investigation than Trump has the Russia one. Also, the Obama justice department seems to have encouraged the FBI to undertake a morally and legally dubious investigation into Flynn, despite no having no reason and recordings showing he had done nothing wrong.

The bottom line is, given the media hysteria and constant interest and investigation in this area, and the constant leaks, it is very, very unlikely that, if there is proper evidence for these narratives, it wouldn't have surfaced by now. If you know of proper evidence, please post it. I'm all ears. But I do mean proper evidence, not the vague nothings the left-liberal press are using to keep the innuendo alive, like Flynn's quite legitimate and routine meeting (as a transitional official meeting an international counterpart) with the Russian ambassador, or indeed the fact the FBI and Mueller are engaged in investigations (the former not even into Trump). Otherwise, it is all pretty much conspiracy theory, which isn't okay just because it is Trump, and is destabilising the US polity (more than any stupid and vulgar tweets from Trump himself).

Edit: Here is an article I posted from Andrew McCarthy that goes through the sheer lack of evidence for the Trump-Russua hysteria, especially concerning Flynn:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449161/trump-russia-collusion-nonsense

Edit Two: Here is the senior producer video:



As can be seen, it just isn't credible he was referring to the Republican congress. He specifically talks of no evidence. This would be the case no matter how it was edited. He may have said also that the Republicans wouldn't impeach (or not), but he admits, when calling the narrative rubbish, there is no evidence. Unfortunately, the left-liberal media has a history of kicking up dust after these sorts of videos.
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You are right, Obamacare is far from perfect, and there were lots of fixes required. As Windemere said above, there were far better alternatives. However it was not a disaster and only started circling the drain when its opponents assaulted it by increasingly de-funding it.  The fact that it was not a disaster and had many very sound elements can be attested to by some very conservative governors such as Jan Brewer in Arizona (a bitter foe of President Obama) who are fighting tooth and nail to save the expansion of Medicare that it enacted and which would be a disaster if it is reversed as the Trumpcare plans wish to do.  To strip away all health coverage from 22 million people (probably more) and then require the rest to take over a much larger share of costs individually is political suicide and the Republicans should absolutely be terrified to do so.  What needed to be done was to fix Obamacare, not gut the entire system and cause major upheaval for people across the board.



I'm not sure why you are so certain that this "narrative" is nonsense.  Both the FBI and the Mueller investigations continue at full pace, and indeed Mueller seems to be building his team including some rather heavy hitting prosecutors.  That doesn't sound like a narrative that is nonsense.  


I don't think that is accurate. The Republicans did not force big providers to leave the exchanges. The problem with Obama is fundamentally that it encouraged many higher risk people to sign up but hasn't given the same incentives for the healthier - often paying the fine or mandate costs less - meaning it was always going to be in danger. This was not the Republicans fault.

Expanding of Medicare hardly seems the same as Obamacare as a whole.

Ultimately, the Republicans are correct that Obamacare is not in the American tradition. It is a huge federally funded solution. Sucg programs have become all too common over the last century, but they are still against the American tradition of limited federal government responsibility and federalism. America needs more federalism not centralisation. Alternatives like single-payer seem even worse. The European systems have their good sides, but they also have their bad sides. Surely, the more American solution would largely leave it to states, perhaps with support for them to work together when needed. This is more or less the Republican plan. It seems better to me to try this first than go straight to a single payer system, which is for America still a hard left solution.
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Interesting articles on CNN's latest bit of unprofessionalism:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449249/cnns-donald-trump-feud-post-millennial-generation-z-rebellion

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On the Fourth of July, CNN managed to out-petty the president, further corrode its credibility, and kick-start the Trump 2020 ground game in one fell swoop. After President Trump tweeted a modified GIF of himself at an old pro-wrestling match, in which he is seen clobbering a man with the CNN logo superimposed on his head, CNN chose the low road. Rather than denounce the president’s tweet as unpresidential and move on with actual journalism, the network instead had a public, 72-hour meltdown, which included an inane hunt to punish the creator of the meme that apparently ‌originated on r/The_Donald, a pro-Trump Internet forum on Reddit.

On Wednesday, CNN published an article by Andrew Kaczynski titled “How CNN found the Reddit user behind the Trump wrestling GIF,” describing in scrupulous detail how the “KFile” team unearthed the identity of the user “HanA**holeSolo,” who created the GIF. “Using identifying information that ‘HanA**holeSolo’ posted on Reddit,” Kaczynski wrote, “KFile was able to determine key biographical details, to find the man’s name using a Facebook search and ultimately corroborate details he had made available on Reddit.”

In his article, Kaczynski explained that because the Reddit user gave a lengthy apology and seemed genuinely remorseful, he would not identify or dox him, i.e., Kaczynski would not release private or identifying information about the Reddit denizen. But, he warned, “CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.”

Addicted to asserting their diminishing control over public rhetoric, CNN single-handedly gave Trump a reason to moan about the network’s agenda to his heart’s content. As Kevin Williamson has so eloquently noted, in his constant need for media attention Trump resembles a junkie running dry. So, too, CNN, which is so hooked on drama that is has threatened to ruin private citizen who criticizes or mocks the network.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449235/cnn-vs-hanaholesolo-major-news-outlet-goes-too-far

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449207/donald-trump-media-feud-makes-all-involved-look-bad
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https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-lawyer-reznik-resigns-stalin-plaque-moscow-academy/28583453.html

When Trump speaks to Putin he needs to keep this in mind. A disturbing number of Russians actually believe Stalin was a "great man". Imagine if Germans believed that about Hitler, and Stalin actually killed more people. We talk about whitewashing history which Russia does, and so does Turkey with the Armenian Genocide. But Russia does not have the excuse of amnesia or ignorance - they know what happened and they're actually proud of it. It's disgusting, yet there are still people who are blindly biased in favour of Russia despite all the evidence before them.

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Even the likes of Glenn Greenwald and Julian Assange, as well as some other liberal media outlets like The Washington Post, have been critical of CNN's latest bit of shoddy unprofessionalism:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/07/07/glenn-greenwald-cnn-engaged-in-corporate-bullying-and-creepy-censorship-on-protrump-reddit-story-n2351634

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/07/06/hey-cnn-what-happened-to-those-all-important-standards/

Ted Cruz has claimed that CNN's conduct might in fact be criminal, as well as what has been described as pathologically vindictive. I don't know whether it is true, but there has been a lot of talk about the Reddit user, whom CNN threatened to out for making a picture/video they didn't like (although it, turns out the user in question probably didn't make the video Trump used), being only 15.

Here is a reasonable summary of CNN's recent offences against journalism, including Jim Acosta showing ignorance about just how many intelligence agencies have suggested Russia was responsible for trying to interfere in the election:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/07/cnns-perpetual-purgatory-of-amateur-hour/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449288/cnn-threat-reddit-journalism-today

Things aren't going well at CNN, and it couldn't have happened to a nice bunch of folks.

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I very much liked Trump's speech in Poland:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/267209/trump-poland-our-civilization-will-triumph-robert-spencer
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Trump's speech was fine with me - it's nice to have a positive assessment of western culture once in a while.

I do have issues with the way the article you linked to interprets the words of Obama, though. The author of that piece claims that when Obama said the future should not belong to those who salnder the prophet of Islam, he was essentially saying that critics of Islam should be repressed. That's putting words in his mouth, and not what the former president meant at all.
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I don't think that is accurate. The Republicans did not force big providers to leave the exchanges. The problem with Obama is fundamentally that it encouraged many higher risk people to sign up but hasn't given the same incentives for the healthier - often paying the fine or mandate costs less - meaning it was always going to be in danger. This was not the Republicans fault. 

Expanding of Medicare hardly seems the same as Obamacare as a whole. 


I encourage you to research this carefully and you will find that where the insurance marketplace has collapsed it has done so largely because local Republican legislatures and governors have encouraged it to do so by interfering directly.  Several Republican led states where it has worked well are now fighting their own party over the overhaul

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Ultimately, the Republicans are correct that Obamacare is not in the American tradition. It is a huge federally funded solution. Sucg programs have become all too common over the last century, but they are still against the American tradition of limited federal government responsibility and federalism. America needs more federalism not centralisation. Alternatives like single-payer seem even worse. The European systems have their good sides, but they also have their bad sides.


Well throwing 22 million people off of health insurance all together and making the rest of us  pay a larger percentage of ever increasing medical costs isn't the American tradition either.  The European systems are not perfect, but I can assure you having dealt with the health system and it's costs here, there is no comparison.  My father was in the hospital for about a year in his final illness.  He had what would for America qualify as "excellent" private insurance, but dealing and fighting with those people over every little cost, the constant arguments with hospital staff about whether a man in his condition should be in hospital or in a nursing home largely pressured by insurance company concerns about the cost, and the bills THE BILLS!!!  Had he not had insurance, the family would have been completely bankrupted.  In the U.S. the average person in one serious illness away from Bankruptcy.  We are the only industrialized country who doesn't have a reasonably sane medical insurance system.  It is a scandal, and the Republicans themselves have now come to the realization that their prescription is not only suicidal, it's probably immoral.

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I encourage you to research this carefully and you will find that where the insurance marketplace has collapsed it has done so largely because local Republican legislatures and governors have encouraged it to do so by interfering directly.  Several Republican led states where it has worked well are now fighting their own party over the overhaul





The fundamental problem with Obamacare is that it increased the amount of higher risk people who could get insurance but not the amount of healthy people who would. I don't see how Republicans are responsible for this.

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Well throwing 22 million people off of health insurance all together and making the rest of us  pay a larger percentage of ever increasing medical costs isn't the American tradition either.  The European systems are not perfect, but I can assure you having dealt with the health system and it's costs here, there is no comparison.  My father was in the hospital for about a year in his final illness.  He had what would for America qualify as "excellent" private insurance, but dealing and fighting with those people over every little cost, the constant arguments with hospital staff about whether a man in his condition should be in hospital or in a nursing home largely pressured by insurance company concerns about the cost, and the bills THE BILLS!!!  Had he not had insurance, the family would have been completely bankrupted.  In the U.S. the average person in one serious illness away from Bankruptcy.  We are the only industrialized country who doesn't have a reasonably sane medical insurance system.  It is a scandal, and the Republicans themselves have now come to the realization that their prescription is not only suicidal, it's probably immoral.


It is quite possible to do this on a state by state level, if it need be done. Why must it be done at the federal level? That seems against what was and should be the competence of the federal government. Over-centralised government, and over-centralised business, is an enemy of society, culture, and social groupings. The statist nature of European nations has something to do with their relative social, moral, and religious decline (though America is not too far behind) - see the work of Robert Nisbet. I don't see think more statism is moral, therefore.

The American health system certainly had and has flaws, but there are areas where it is much better. For example, Americans are often shocked at the wait times for non-emergency surgery on the NHS. Also, in a nationalised system, there are still people making healthcare decisions for people. You just can't call them up.

The Republicans have ideas for healthcare reform. They are not suggesting going back simply to the pre-Obamacare status quo. Obamacare hasn't worked. The best Republican plans, deserve a try.

Also, I'd be interested to know how many of those 22 million are illegal immigrants. Often the figures of the uninsured seemed to include ten million illegals.
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For the very first time there is evidence of meaningful links between the Russian government and senior Trump campaign officials: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/fredo-trump-donald-trump-jr-russia/ The links seem more sleazy and incompetent (and somewhat indirect) - through a family friend Trump's son seems to have got wind that a Kremilin linked lawyer had dirt on Clinton, which she didn't - rather than illegal. Still it doesn't look good for Trump.
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A good article from Pat Buchanan on the dangers of being hawkish on Russia, though I think it a little too far to see Putin as a possible ally:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/__trashed/
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Despite being an absolute moron, with even more foolish family members offering advice, Trump has managed to do some things right:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449564/campus-rape-hysteria-trumps-education-department-can-restore-due-process

The dear colleague letter was a travesty and needed to be rescinded.

It mustn't be forgotten that the media and many of Trump's high profile opponents are as reprehensible:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449629/josh-barro-democrats-hamburger-problem-liberal-judgment-guarantees-political-failure

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449654/black-lives-matter-womens-march-embrace-terrorists-media-stays-silent

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One of the leaders of the anti-Trump "resistance" embraced by Democrats is the Islamist Linda Sarsour, an advocate of sharia law and boasting ties to terrorist supporters:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449393/democrats-revere-linda-sarsour-terrorist-apologist-trump-hatred-unites

It's striking how the "rise" of Sarsour in the media is paralleled with the rise of Yassmin Abdel-Magied in Australia. Both women perpetuate the victim cult while advancing the agenda of Islamists.
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