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DavidV

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We are not talking about what sort of monarchy we want, we are talking about the fact that some people are trying to push a pro-fascist, Far Right agenda that does not sit comfortably with the vast majority of people who consider themselves monarchists. Certainly the overwhelming majority of fellow monarchists I know and have actually met.

The enemies of our civilisation are the Far Left and Islamists, those pushing postcolonialism, identity politics and "social justice" causes, all of which are hostile to the dominant Anglo-Saxon people and culture of the English-speaking world. You cannot address this with the slippery slope of glorifying fascist tyranny which is no different from Communist or Islamist tyranny.

We know that the evils of Communism, for one, are insufficiently recognised compared to fascism and Nazism. I've endlessly made that point in public. But it doesn't justify people trying to whitewash fascism and rewrite history to suit their own twisted agendas, which is precisely what MM has done.

There are many ways to fight the Culture Wars we are facing, but what has been presented is a very, very wrong way.
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That's certainly one of the major discussions in this thread, and in that discussion I largely agree with you, but it doesn't exhaust what has been brought up.
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I thought your first sentence was a little unnecessary, David. Do you really want to start up the wars again? The rest of the post I entirely agreed with. There are as you say many different views within monarchism, most of which are entirely acceptable however they diverge from each other. Some though are not, and this thread has exemplified one of these.
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I uphold freedom of expression and diversity of opinion because I am not a hypocrite. Freedom of association and dissociation are another matter because it means that self-policing becomes necessary for political and social movements and organisations.

If you want to see what actual, active monarchists stand for here's an example from the AML in Australia:
https://monarchist.org.au/about-us/107-why-do-we-do-it

And ANRM in Romania (requires translator):
https://tineretanrm.wordpress.com/despre/de-ce-sustin-tinerii/

Notice that these are people who get out there in the real world and have little in common with some of the crap that has been pushed in the name of monarchism online. I can provide other examples but you get the point. No serious active monarchist individual or group I know of indulges in authoritarian Far Right fantasies or promotes political or religious extremism which we reject, and is precisely the reason for our defence of the institution of the Crown.

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Just to repeat, I'm very glad for what MM has contributed to the monarchist cause.   Also I think reactionary monarchists at Social Matter, Thermidor, and Jacobite have written some excellent and stimulating articles on the subject.   Since someone keeps stirring the pot, I wasn't going to leave him with the last word.  
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I think we can all agree that what the AML do is good, important, and necessary. That doesn't necessarily mean that monarchists are obliged to avoid any discussions that would be beyond the purview of the Australian Monarchist League.

I wonder...is there any actual evidence that MM's writing, including in areas where I disagree with him, has ever hurt the monarchist cause (such as it is) in any way? Does anyone in Romania ever say, "restore the Monarchy? but that blogger in America defended Codreanu!!"? I seriously doubt it. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure I have read of people being converted to monarchism, or strengthened in preexisting monarchist sympathies, via his blog. In recent years he's taken some positions I wished he hadn't taken, particularly regarding Ethiopia. But that doesn't mean his blog hasn't been on the whole a good thing.

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I'll keep this short as usual. I'll miss him as an on line presence; and as a start point for my own research into the individuals and topics that he was want to discuss.
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I think we can all agree that what the AML do is good, important, and necessary. That doesn't necessarily mean that monarchists are obliged to avoid any discussions that would be beyond the purview of the Australian Monarchist League.



The fact is that we have to be picky with our battles and who our allies are, and as we've seen recently with the fiasco surrounding Jeremy Corbyn, if one lies down with dogs then they get up with fleas. Yes, we can discuss a wide range of topics, but how exactly will they be relevant to advancing our cause? That's the question that's never been answered here when it comes to defending existing monarchies or restoring fallen ones. How will an appeal to some authoritarian far right ideology help one bit? It won't. There's no evidence that it can or will ever help. But then again, the problem is that there's too much of an appeal to emotion rather than reason over this. Ironically, on this forum it has long been agreed that promotion of such ideologies was not a good thing - and I tend to hold that outside the forum too.

Our battles are not just about defending the Crown in this country, or restoring monarchies elsewhere, it's also about defending civilisation from its multiple foes. We can ill-afford bad publicity in this regard.

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I wonder...is there any actual evidence that MM's writing, including in areas where I disagree with him, has ever hurt the monarchist cause (such as it is) in any way? Does anyone in Romania ever say, "restore the Monarchy? but that blogger in America defended Codreanu!!"? I seriously doubt it. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure I have read of people being converted to monarchism, or strengthened in preexisting monarchist sympathies, via his blog. In recent years he's taken some positions I wished he hadn't taken, particularly regarding Ethiopia. But that doesn't mean his blog hasn't been on the whole a good thing.


Admittedly, MM's positive or negative impact on monarchism, online or not, would ultimately be rather limited in the wider scheme of things. Yes I enjoyed a lot of his writings in years gone by, but he simply became more prickly and gone off the deep end in the last couple of years with the whole veneration of Mussolini and Codreanu. The problem is that people who may not be so clued up may Google about monarchism and find some of that stuff a turn off.

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