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DavidV

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Antifa's attack on Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens confirms that while the SPLC is the Far Left's main research arm, Antifa is its street arm:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270986/antifa-real-fascists-matthew-vadum
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The war on free speech in America and the West continues. It's evident that the SPLC has had a role in trying to stifle open debate and diversity of opinion:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/southern-poverty-law-center-hate-label-deserves-vigorous-response/
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The National Review compares the SPLC to the Weimar Republic in terms of "inflation" - in this case, an inflation of the alleged Far Right threat:

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/09/10/southern-poverty-law-center-essentially-a-fraud/
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The latest targets of SPLC slander campaigns include Cassie Jaye and Erin Pizzey:

https://www.facebook.com/CassieJayeOfficial/posts/594413380961261?__xts__[0]=68.ARBkPleYP1jCLtS3sI02M1mE4fZSd5rvZPofSBJmVKrjwKl1VOWlzf9ZvFdGsamMXfdan3QF9vD-G06M3YKfZdPyUDis3U20BrETfG2TcKCgWUBJ6AThrvUj-CYk_QAhV_QplP9zo_IfhmsR-GwOIHl1VClNvEtB0baDAl4PfZlDJj4UJgvf&__tn__=-R
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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/lefts-growing-violence-will-not-end-well/news-story/d258db89de1c3f7f335ddd1e9338c398

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Left’s growing violence will not end well
Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun September 16, 2018

Someone will get killed soon. Someone on the Right will be killed for political reasons. See, the culture of violence on the Left is growing — and no one on the Left seems even to mind. In Australia it’s already bad enough. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott was headbutted in the street, masked protesters attacked me outside a book launch, and the Herald Sun’s Mark Knight last week had death threats made against him and his family for drawing a cartoon of Serena Williams that Leftist activists falsely screeched was racist.

We’ve also seen the fascist Left use violence to shut down meetings of the Right.

They attacked people trying to get to a speech in Melbourne by Dutch political leader Geert Wilders, or a dinner with Australian Conservatives leader Cory Bernardi.

They also attacked the audiences of gay libertarian Milo Yiannopoulos and Canadian filmmaker Lauren Southern, and this month physically harassed people going to hear former British UKIP leader Nigel Farage in Melbourne.

Last week socialists at Sydney University manhandled students trying to attend a speech by conservative psychologist Bettina Arndt, yet still virtually no MPs speak against this culture of violence. Are conservatives now too evil to defend?

But it’s even worse in the US, where the Left’s hate speech against President Donald Trump is whipping mobs into a frenzy.

Democrat congresswomen Maxine Waters even urged Leftists to harass Trump officials in the street: “Create a crowd … and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.

It worked, with Republican Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell confronted in the street by a mob, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen having protesters picket her home, and a White House adviser having his home address published by protesters.

Where will this mob-incitement lead?

Already in the election campaign, Trump’s supporters were attacked by Leftists, leaving some bleeding.

More seriously, Republican House Majority Whip Steve Scalise was shot and nearly killed by a Bernie Sanders supporter, and this month a Republican candidate in California was attacked by a Democrat supporter, Farzad Vincent Fazeli, who brandished a knife while shouting about Trump.

Meanwhile celebrities dial up the hate, with “comedian” Kathy Griffin posing with Trump’s apparently severed head, actor Robert De Niro saying he wants to punch Trump in the face, actor Johnny Depp suggesting assassination, and singer Madonna talking about blowing up Trump’s White House.

This can’t end well.

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They fire the first shot, we will have to counter until every last 'leftie' is left dead I am afraid to say now sadly. We may have to unleash upon others a blow that will be measured in multi-generational terms, and that time might be upon us sooner than we would like. I would like to say that it does pain me to write this way; but the left must understand what sort of tiger they are poking it's tail with in this regard. In a way this might just be the endgame for the populist democratic and largely republican cancer that the 18th century has left us with.
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To me, violence is found at the extremes of both Left and Right. And the reason they're violent is the same reasons they're at extremes; their views are hard to justify by argument, so they try to impose them by force. It is true the extreme Left are both more numerous and more vocal, perhaps because their views are seen as more acceptable than those of the Right. Neither ought to be accepted, and nor should violent behaviour be permitted. From anyone. Peaceful protest is one thing, and should generally be allowed. Shutting down the opposition by thuggery is quite another, and never should be.

It would be helpful if President Trump showed the slightest awareness of his responsibilities in his public statements. But of course he is intellectually incapable of comprehending the need, and if he did still wouldn't be able to govern himself. We must just hope for chastening mid-terms, and the comprehensive rejection by the electorate in 2020 that ought to have happened in 2016, to silence or at least subdue the idiot's big mouth which has played a large part in provoking (though it does not excuse) the violence of which you speak. Mueller could bring about an earlier closure, but the consequences of that would be so unpredictable that, much though I wish to see the back of this abysmal failure of a man and a leader, I would prefer not to see it happen that way.
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I agree that there is violence from both sides. I think the real issue is that the left gets away with it more.

Left-wing violence is often ignored, and rarely, by the most socially powerful media, is the rest of the left tarnished by association with it. Sometimes establishment and media left-liberals even give tactic support to left-wing thuggery, like antifa. The right gets completely different treatment.

Can you imagine it had been Democratic congressmen shot by a rightist last year?

I have long felt the best way to deal with the specifically mob violence and intimidation of the left, which doesn't really exist on the right as much these days in the West, is just more concerted policing. Let antifa and their I'll know that the moment they break the law they will face swift force and arrest from police.


It is extremely unlikely Mueller will find anything like the kind of smoking gun needed to impeach Trump with threatening the stability of the US polity. At the moment there's the possibility of campaign finance violations, but this is only a possibility and these are fairly common and normally settled with fines (as happened to the Obama campaign in its first term). The Democrats could try to whip this up into an impeachment, after all it is an ultimately political matter, but (assuming it gets through the Senate, which is unlikely), apart from the immediate rage from the Trump base, you'd have a dangerous precedent. The next Democratic president to face a Republican congress better hope he has no baggage like campaign finance violations. And then what happens, when you have tit for tat impeachments on such pretexts? The fabric of the body politic would be close to riping apart.
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The whole problem is that the Left uses terms like "alt-right", "far right", "fascist", "racist" and "Nazi" and thus makes people marked as a target for Left violence. Witness the stabbing of Brazilian presidential candidate Jair Bolsonaro by a known Leftist recently. It's likely this will bolster his already strong polling out of sympathy.

The SPLC and their ilk are basically aiding and abetting Leftists, anarchists and Islamists to attack their opponents. That's what their whole "hate groups" list, ever-expanding to include legitimate conservative organisations and individuals, is all about. The SPLC's website even dares to put out where conservatives are holding "anti-gay", "anti-immigrant" or "anti-Muslim" events, which is a perfect gift for Antifa and Islamists. Furthermore, they've also referenced sources like the anarchist "news" portal It's Going Down.

Most of the Right disavows any association with the Far Right/white nationalist/neo-Nazi crowd. By contrast, the Democratic and Labour parties do not disavow association with Communists or Islamists - in fact they form a part of the Left network. Witness Bill Clinton's evident willingness to stand on the same platform as Jackson, Sharpton and Farrakhan...
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Whatever it is Manafort has to say now he has made a deal might change that. But, for much the same reasons that you cite, I don't wish for it. I agree that even-handed policing is what is needed to tame Left violence; zero tolerance of anyone, whatever their cause, using mob thuggery and intimidation to advance it. I note by the way that Kavanaugh's Senate endorsement has hit a sticky patch. Though I could originally see nothing much against him I have reconsidered, he is no Gorsuch and I would be happy to see the nomination fail.

PS I was obviously replying to Wessexman, and cross-posted with David. To David, nothing seems to have been heard yet about these much-touted libel suits; leading me to suspect they never will go ahead, because there was no libel and what the SPLC said about the organisations and individuals concerned was true. As it most certainly was with the disgraceful Family Research Council.
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I doubt Manafort will trouble Trump much. As Andy McCarthy and others have pointed out, when prosecutors try to turn a member(s) of a criminal conspiracy against other members, giving the former leniency in return for testimony and evidence, the prosecutor almost always charges the flipped conspirator with crimes specifically relating to the conspiracy. That hasn't happened to Manafort, just as didn't happen to Flynn, for example. Manafort's charges and pleas are about conduct not related to the Trump campaign.

The allegation against Kavanaugh is serious, but I don't think it should stop his timely confirmation, unless new support or allegations come forward. The allegation is unsupported - and there are even inconsistencies in the case. It also seems that Feinstein acted in a despicable way, sitting on the allegation for months until the politically best time, and perhaps even working with the accuser. Certainly, not only did this hold up investigation of the claim (which was no doubt part of the reason for Feinstein's actions), but it seems that the digging Feinstein and her staff were no doubt doing in this time failed to dig up much extra evidence. Aside from this allegation, I think he has conducted himself very well considering the abused Democrat-media spectacle.

As far as I know American libel tends to be more burdensome for plaintiffs than British law. It is quite hard for any public organisation or figure to win a case claiming they have been libelled except in quite severe circumstances.

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Perhaps you're right on Manafort, but let's wait and see. I did read about the allegation you speak of this morning, but if it were only that I wouldn't be concerned. I'm not in general a fan of accusations of sexual misconduct decades after the alleged fact, when no proof is possible and it comes down to one person's word against the other, and feel the presumption of innocence should always operate in such circumstances unless, as with many Catholic priests and hierarchy members, an enormous number of accusers come forward and describe a consistent pattern of abuse.

Kavanaugh though just does not strike me as a jurist of Gorsuch's class, and I feel he might well be looking more towards his biases than towards the law and the facts in his judgements. I would like to see Trump made to try again. I'd also like to see the inevitable infantile fit of rage, which is perhaps a bit nasty of me. Hey, I don't like him. Just in case you hadn't gathered. On the SPLC, what you say is true but it is still by no means impossible for a plaintiff to succeed in a libel suit. If it were, while the SPLC for the sake of their reputation might have withdrawn and apologised for their innacurate statements about Nawaz and Quilliam, they would I should think have been unlikely to fork out over $3 million in settlement.
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It isn't just damage to reputation, but also the fact the SPLC's campaign of libel and slander of any ideological opponent has dangerous consequences for its targets. The SPLC and Hope Not Hate have slandered people who are accused of being "Islamophobic" and even "white supremacist" and "male supremacist" enablers - Cassie Jaye and Erin Pizzey (who has an impeccable record of women's rights and anti-domestic violence advocacy) being two of the most recent examples of the latter.

Look at how conservatives can't organise events even in Australia without some violent threat from the Far Left. I've had it confirmed to me that certain conservative politicians needed a police escort in and out of a meeting I actually attended, but will say no further on that matter.

These people on the Left are not reasonable, they cannot be argued with or debated and I have no interest in arguing with or debating them at all. It's gone way past that now. They're unreasonable but they're not insane or irrational - on the contrary, they're sane, rational and thoroughly evil.
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Neither Cassie Jaye nor the admirable and brave Erin Pizzey seem to me to have been fairly targeted either. But you keep throwing around accusations of libel and slander, and the alleged victims keep going nowhere near the courts. Until someone does, I will continue to be sceptical of your case against the SPLC. I have already acknowledged the reality of and condemned left-wing violence, and will do so again. The remedy there would seem to lie in the forces of law and order eschewing their customary inactivity and actually doing something to enforce the law.
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Well, the Left and Third Wave Feminists hate Pizzey because she dares to speak home truths they don't like or want to hear.

We don't know what action is being prepared by the various organisations that have considered action against the SPLC. The fact is there is already a very strong case against the SPLC: it makes no attempt to hide its ideological bias, but is routinely used by the media as if it were an objective judge of what constitutes "hate". The Left and Islamists are given a free pass in a way the Right never would be.

Look at many of the names on here and on previous lists I posted here:
http://lc.org/090717MediaResearchCenterLetter.pdf

Never mind the Family Research Council, what about groups like the Center for Security Policy (Frank Gaffney et al), the Clarion Project (Ryan Mauro et al) and people like David Horowitz, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller? People like Daniel Pipes? They've been defamed in a way that actually presents a danger to them and their supporters.

That's not liberal democracy, what's being done is evil and totalitarian. The SPLC is one of the most un-American organisations in existence - if you think "un-American" is being tpp casually thrown around, in this case it fully applies.
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