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Windemere

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This is amazing, it turns out Pocahontas Warren really is native American. She's between sixth or tenth generation (which latter could literally be Pocahontas) American Indian:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/elizabeth-warren-roughly-1-64th-to-1-1024th-native-american/

People on the right are in stitches about this. Ben Shapiro described it as one of the biggest own goals he'd ever seen in politics. But if you want a clear indication of mainstream media bias, you can just see how many outlets took it seriously as showing Trump wrong, especially considering the person who ran the test said he didn't have enough native American samples, so used ones from Mexico, Columbia, and Peru. So Elizabeth Warren is apparently 1/64th to 1024th Columbian, or something. I'm sure Trump is chastened. Perhaps he could give Warren 1/1024th of the millennium dollars he promised her on proving her ancestry.

David French had a good article on the media bias:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/elizabeth-warrens-native-american-ancestry-spin-media-fell-for-it/

I love, for example, this apparently straight-faced comment from the AP:






Edit: The Cherokee nation itself doesn't seem very impressed by Warren's antics:

http://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test


Well, Pocahontas was just re-elected last Tuesday to another 6 year term as senator from Massachusetts. Maybe old Metacomet is laughing in his grave, wherever it may be.



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One of the women who went after Andrew Bolt in that frightening "hate speech" case now says she regrets her move after recognising the toxicity of identity politics:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/print/bolt-critic-changes-tune-on-race/news-story/504d1a7e6c70f401075c48f29a859385
Wessexman

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Predictably, it seems that Pocahontas Warren's silliness has done lasting damage to her 2020 hopes:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-imperils-2020-hopes/

It isn't just well justified mockery from conservatives and others that is the issue, but the intersectional idiots themselves are annoyed at her for pretending to be non-white.
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Well, that may be true. But one ought never to underestimate the American public's capacity for ignorance and gullibility, and who can predict whatever whim will next  appeal to them.
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An update. The Center for Immigration Studies, one of many groups defamed by the SPLC, announces it is launching legal action against the SPLC:

https://cis.org/Press-Release/CIS-RICO-Lawsuit-SPLC

https://nypost.com/2019/01/16/anti-immigration-group-sues-splc-over-inclusion-on-hate-list/

https://pjmedia.com/trending/immigration-group-files-rico-lawsuit-wire-fraud-claims-against-splc/


There you have it. They are just one, there will be many, many more. Let us all unite against this disgusting, despicable and un-American organisation.
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Whether they have been defamed remains to be seen in the court decision. The CIS certainly does a very good imitation of an anti-immigrant hate group for an organisation claiming not to be one. That 'many groups' have been defamed is your assertion, but so far every one i have looked at appears to belong in the category to which the SPLC consigns it. How about rewording it as 'another group defamed', since so far exactly one of these groups has sued and won a (pre-trial) settlement, the SPLC admitting that it had been in error on that occasion. Or better still 'another group possibly defamed', as the SPLC has announced its intention to vigorously contest this new case.
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This group will have an up-hill struggle, given the onerous burden to prove defamation in the US. The libel against Maajid Nawaz were so absurd the SPLC had to settle. The other cases are generally a little less egregious. That is, whilst it has long been obvious the SPLC has turned into a hyperpartisan outfit using its once good reputation to smear anyone remotely socially or culturally conservative, calling many of these other groups hate groups or accusing them of peddling hate is probably within the bounds of acceptable comment. It is, after all, an implicit staple of contemporary left-liberalism that most who disagree with it are in some sense bigoted or malign. Any group that opposes illegal immigration, like (from what I can see) the respectable and mainstream CIS, is immediately suspect to many left-liberals.


By the way, this lawsuit does seem well-planned and prepared. It isn'tt just a knee-jerk reaction. I was interested to see that the CIS notes the complete lack of proper proof for the (typical, partisan) smears the SPLC levelled at them.
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The CIS is not a "hate group", it discusses legitimate immigration concerns as do other groups like ILRI, FAIR, ProEnglish and The Remambrance Project, all of whom have also been subject to SPLC smears.

So you can be in favour of traditional values and religion, critical of immigration, multiculturalism, Islam or Political Correctness in general, or dislike excessively interventionist government, and the SPLC will put you on their "hate" list. Just like that. The backlash is long overdue.
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Unfortunately for us conservatives, there is a window of socially acceptable discourse, and it is moving away from us. This doesn't mean our views are actually wrong or bad. After all, a hundred years ago many of today's left-liberal views would have been decidedly unacceptable and non-mainstream, but few of our left-liberal contemporaries would say that means their views were genuinely wrong or immoral in 1900 of 1920.

Obviously, this process has been varied. In some areas there is widespread acceptance of left-liberal positions (such as in some areas of sexuality) and disdain for conservative ones. On the other hand, on issues like immigration, multiculturalism, patriotism, and, perhaps, transgenderism*, left-liberalism has not at least completely routed it's opponents (though it does have very high support in the prestige media and establishment, which can distort things).

All that said, there are different levels of censoriousness and intolerance of minority, unpopular views, and today's left-liberalism is certainly a lot more censorious than the older (genuine) liberalism, which had a live and let live attitude.

* It probably won't shock you to find out the SPLC has given public backing to radical trans-activist documents and campaigns. I say this as someone who, for a social conservative, is somewhat undecided on the issue of transgenderism. That is, I certainly think the evidence favours the view that transgenderism is a mental disorder not unlike other body dysmorphias (take for example the fact that 80-95% of children diagnosed with gender identity disorder grow out of it by adulthood and come to identify in a normal fashion with their bodily sex), and that the position that it isn't transgender is largely unsupported, is incoherent in important ways (gender is supposed to be fluid, yet transgenders are hardwired with the wrong gender identity to their biological sex from birth), and is pushed more as an ideology than a sensible, developed philosophical and scientific position. But I also recognise that it is just possible there is something in the trans-activist position, and that a little more clarity is needed on just what gender and sex are, philosophically and biologically (though there is a good bit of promising work out there). I recently read Ryan Anderson's excellent When Harry Became Sally, which, apart from giving me the information on the SPLC unsurprising embrace of trans-activist ideology, confirmed me in my general view.
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Mark Kirkorian of the CIS interviewed by Tucker Carlson on the upcoming lawsuit:

https://cis.org/Mark-Krikorian-Discusses-Lawsuit-Against-SPLC
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The attack on the Covington Catholic students, coming right after the Buzzfeed fake news the MSM jumping upon, is why few trust the left-liberal media anymore:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-covington-catholic-bonfire-at-the-stake/

Despite the ubiquitous coverage of this by the MSM as a one-sided, "hate" incident, almost all of the crucial points in that narrative are questionable, if you watch the extended videos:




- The black bible activists mentioned by CNN were from a cult called the Black Hebrews. It was one of those who called native Americans savages, before later making anti-gay comments, all interspersed with a lot of anti-white racialist comments. But, like incidents of anti-semitism from African-Americans, that is ignored because it doesn't fit the identity politics narrative of the MSM.

- It was the native Americans who came up to the students - who are, after all minors - in quite an aggressive way, beating their drums and the like in the faces of the students. One native American protestor tells the Europeans to go back home.

- At first, the students don't know what is going on and, far from taunting, they seem to be cheerfully dancing and joining in with the rhythm.

- The student who has drawn the most ire seems, far from smirking, genuinely bewildered why the guy who they were cheerfully dancing along with has suddenly got aggressively in face, continuing to loudly beat the drum.

If you read the left-liberal media articles there were some hints that the narrative being pushed might be questionable. They did mention, though they didn't dwell on it, the native Americans protestors were the ones who went up to the kids.

As Dreher notes, it is possible that some of these kids did taunt the activists, which would be wrong. But there is little proof of that as it stands, and it wouldn't excuse the aggressive behaviour of the activists, especially because the taunts clearly wouldn't have preceded the activists, grown men and women, inserting themselves into the students and taunting them. Edited videos seem to have been used to push a false narrative. Either the media was out to deceive or just lazy, or both.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites

The Black Hebrew Israelites are analogous to the British Israel movement and Armstrongism - you know, the movement that proclaims British people and the monarchy as descendants of ancient Israel, of which Herbert W. Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God was its most famous exponent. It has to be noted that there is not one Black Hebrew movement but several, and not all of those subscribe to a racialist ideology.

The SPLC did list at least one of those under the "Black Nationalist" category along with the Nation of Islam. It should be noted that most of the neo-Nazi, white nationalist and black nationalist groups on their list are not disputed, only the actual size and influence of those groups (frankly, the NOI is significantly larger, more influential and better organised than most of them). This does not absolve the SPLC of its misdeeds in smearing conservatives and others on its vastly expanded list of "hate groups".
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Bruce Bawer is always superb:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-disgraceful-covington-catholic-pile-on/

Charles Kupperman has been appointed by the Trump Administration. The SPLC has smeared him once more as he was part of the Center for Security Policy:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/exposing-the-splcs-false-anti-muslim-smears-against-the-trump-administration/

Organisations like the CSP, Clarion Project, ACT for America, Alliance Defending Freedom, D. James Kennedy Ministries, Liberty Counsel, Ruth Institute and others all should (and I believe will) take the SPLC to court for its outrageous slanders against them.
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The attack on the Covington minors was one of the most disgraceful left-liberal and media smears we have seen. It was like a kind of concentrated version of what happened to Kavanaugh. The errors in fact, ethics, and proportion from the left were astounding. They were shocking, if not entirely surprising. One could go through the saga in depth, but some of the things that stuck out to me:

1) Even if the worst spin was put on the boys actions (a spin that is untrue - they did little or nothing wrong), the incident wasn't newsworthy and didn't merit going viral at the boys' expense, let alone see the boys doxxed and threatened by an online mob.

2) At worst the boys were mildly disrespectful (I'm not sure they even were that, and, even if they were disrespectful, Phillips was the aggressor and an adult) , but there were literally people there - adults, no less - making racialist and anti-gay slurs, the Black Hebrew Israelites. yet the left and media seem almost entirely unconcerned about that. No celebrities have called for the doxxing and attack of the BHI. I can be only assume it is a racial thing - either anti-white racialism or the bigotry of low expectations against African-Americans.

3) Although, as you know, I'm not one who likes to talk about anti-white racialism much, I was struck by the visceral hatred of non-woke whites here. It was as often whites attacking the kids, but there seemed a real hatred here of non-SJW-whites on principle.

4) The pseudo-Marxist constructs that have increasingly imprisoned left-liberal thought were very much in evidence. These were deployed both to vilify the kids and sanctify Phillips and his crew. So the boys were the vicious face of white privilege and patriarchy. But Phillips was native American and using a traditional instrument, so he was angelic and must be treated with the utmost respect. Nevermind that Phillips and his friends aggressively pushed there way into a group of school kids, avowedly to support the vile BHI members, banged a drum in some of these boys' faces, and even told them at one point to go back to Europe. He is a native American elder* Presumably these progressives would write a thank you note to someone who mugged them, if he was a minority.

I will say that there was a slight improvement on the Kavanaugh saga, in that a good number of left-liberals did eventually see sense. But many didn't, and some even doubled-down in absurd group-think (we even saw the equivalent of boof- sleuthing - pictures of blackface that wasn't blackface, or the boys in question, etc). Disappointingly, some of the leftists who came to see sense abandoned it again and rescinded their apologies, partly at pressure, it seems, from the more hardline and shrill progressives who stuck to the original misrepresentations (and added to them) and partly because they couldn't stand to see a story where it was white, Maga-hat wearing teens who were wronged by a coalition of native Americans, Black supremicists, and left-liberals in the media and online.

And, finally, Twitter showed again its absurd bias, failing again and again to take action against people who made veiled or explicit threats or tried to organise harassment of these minors. Compare this to what it does if you dare to say there are two sexes, or even what was done to some who made relatively moderate responses to the likes Kathy Griffin and Reza Aslan.



* He didn't actually strike me as quite elderly, just older. Also it's interesting left-liberals haven't suddenly discovered respect for age. Old white men are almost at the bottom of the intersectional hierarchy, but in something close to a parody, a late middle-aged native American must be treated with deference at all times.
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One point to be made is that the whole anti-whiteness and "new" anti-Semitism has gotten so far precisely because a non-negligible number of white people and a non-negligible number of Jews have gone along with it.
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