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DavidV

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I don't understand the reaction of DavidV at all, who claims that on this day 'the left' would have shown to have no respect for democracy. It sure seems that on this day democracy is respected by everyone. Labor MPs who have responded already have made it clear that the will of the people would be respected. 


The utter contempt with which the Remain camp have treated their opponents - for one, they won't even acknowledge that a pro-Brexit Left exists, unlike right-wingers like myself, and the breathtakingly cynical and morally repugnant campaign to make Jo Cox a martyr and pin it on Brexit - suggests to me that the Remain camp is full of people who hate democracy unless it suits them. They're not exactly enamoured with defending freedom of speech either.

Furthermore, they are proving to be sore losers as shown by their #notmyvote trending and insulting of elderly voters. These are the people who supposedly believe in "Equality and Diversity" yet their "tolerance" does not extend far.

Whatever. We have won a major victory. It is not a small victory given how many forces are arrayed against Britain and British people, some from within. For decades, Leftist-controlled education in Britain have taught Brits to be ashamed of who they are, their culture, history and traditions, to hate themselves. That enough people believe in Britain to see through this and vote for Brexit is a minor miracle. Or more than that.
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This is so fantastic.

Rule Bruges has been replaced with Rule Britannia.
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I want to explain to you why the European Union is a menace and should be disbanded, and why Brexit is an outcome that will help along the way.
 
Among my friends are people who are animated by a wide variety of issues. It could be freedom of speech, immigration, multiculturalism, abortion, or whatever else. It could be fighting against the demonisation of Western Civilisation by Left-controlled education and media. All of that, many of us are likely to have strong opinions on. Some of us are also staunch believers in monarchy, both our own country's and others.
 
Now let me explain to you how the European Union has a potential impact on ALL of these things. It is an aggressively centralising, expansionist, standardising entity. It can dictate to member states without a democratic mandate, often overruling a democratically-elected government. The European Parliament has less power than the House of Lords and perhaps even the monarchy. I am not kidding here either. You can't even initiate legislation as an MEP as you do in a normal legislature. It is no different to Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and the Islamic Republic of Iran in this regard.
 
And that means that the EU could potentially overrule you on a number of issues, whether it is immigration control, food, abortion, or whatever. I know the EU has not (yet) done many of these things, but the migration crisis demonstrates that the potential for such exists.
 
If anything, the EU is a threat to both business and to workers, to religious (whether Christian, Jewish or any other) and non-religious people (and LGBT people for good measure), to any and all.
 
Firstly, the Cultural Marxist menace that is threatening Western society has been with us for decades, but I believe has gained new impetus with the EU expanding into what it has become. Likewise the threat of Islamist terrorism has greatly increased because of open borders. It is also because the EU directly or indirectly supports groups promoting these very ideologies.
 
Concurrent with these things, the world faces many threats. We have failed states that emerged following decolonisation, which the failed global system perpetuates. The EU does not help this one iota. We have such threats as the Islamic Republic of Iran, ISIS and other jihadist groups, and the neo-imperialism of Russia, Turkey and China (I call it that because that's what it is). The EU is utterly useless, or less than useless, on EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.
 
25 years ago or more, when Communism collapsed, we hoped we would witness a new era and a better world to put things right what we had gotten wrong before. There were some successes there. Unfortunately, what we see in Europe today is not the Europe that the people who had been freed from Communism and fought against it had hoped it would be. A Europe of free, self-governing nations working together in concert, as it had been before 1914 even if that can't be exactly recreated now.
 
With Brexit, it is my hope that it can be and we can move forward and resolve these issues. There is hope and we have God to thank today for giving us that.
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I wonder if two more years of mass immigration would have shifted the vote to Remain.   I now believe that's the strategy of our globalist overlords: to have mass immigration, which allows people who have no loyalty to the customs, history, or nation that they are moving to, provide the votes to undermine that local, native population.  

Another thing to recognize is that the elite of most nation-states are no different from the EU elite.  That's why Brexit was a vote against Brussels and Westminster.

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Instead of "elite", which isn't always a bad term, I should be more specific with "globalist oligarchs". For example, in the US, both parties – Republican and Democrat – have been controlled by globalist oligarchs.   The points of disagreement only provided distractions and the illusion of choice for the electorate.   Both parties have supported mass immigration.
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Not sure about Britain, but here migrants are among the groups with the lowest turnout during elections. 

About your earlier post about older and younger voters: I've seen such figures in the news too. The interesting question is if it's an intergenerational or an intragenerational thing. In other words: do people become more Eurosceptic when they are older, or is the older generation simply more Eurosceptic, for example because it was raised with different values? The question is significant because if the latter explanation is true you would expect support of the EU to increase over the next decades, while if the former is true that doesn't have to be so.
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DavidV, I wish you all the best with your dreams for your future. I do however, think that you are very much blinded by your own view on things. For example, you seem to take the actions of certain people in the remain camp and then project them on the whole group. As if the entire remain camp had spoken ill of older voters! 

I still don't get your point at all. If this vote had gone the other way I'm sure you would have accepted the outcome, but at the same time you would have said that this was not what you wanted and you would have hoped to reopen the battle at some point in the future. Yet when the remain camp now does exactly that, you say they have contempt for democracy.

Democracy does not mean that people have to change their opinion after a vote has gone the certain way. You haver to accept the outcome, but you can vehemently disagree with it. Nothing is undemocratic about that at all.
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And maybe this will lead to the formal demetrication of the UK. Which hopefully will spread to the rest of world and we can see the end of the dreadful SI.
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Ummm even the Bourbon Restoration didn't reverse that one! [rofl]
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Remainers on social media aren't just saying that they disagree with the result. They're saying that Leave voters are stupid racists motivated by xenophobia and fear. They're saying that they're ashamed to be British. Remainers in London are saying that London should secede from England.
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Yes, maybe those remainers who are advocating treason should be sent to the Tower of London, or given a colony in Greenland or some god forsaken place.
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What 'remainders' are you talking about here? If I look at a #notmyvote page DavidV was talking about

https://twitter.com/hashtag/notmyvote?src=tren

I just see people from both sides taking snapshots at each other. Nothing special for Twitter, where people seem to scold and yell about everything everyday. The words of some posters there say nothing at all about the whole remain camp. Plus I haven't seen anyone in the remain camp suggesting deportations of their political opponents like Ponocrates is doing, so it's all pretty hypocrite anyway. 
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I qualified it with remainders advocating treason.   "Given a colony" is something the early Americans were allowed.   They can't have London.
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And here is what this is referring to:

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The city went against the national trend by voting in favour of Remain - unlike vast swathes of the north of England and some Tory heartlands in the south Londoners have called for the capital of England to breakaway away from the rest of Britain following today's vote to leave the European Union.

The city went against the national trend by voting in favour of Remain - unlike vast swathes of the north of England and some Tory heartlands in the south.

More than 2.2million London voters backed Remain compared to 1.5million in favour of Leave.

The Leave vote hit the City of London particularly hard as a day of horror saw billions wiped off FTSE 100 shares.

Frustrated Londoners have now taken to social media to ask London mayor Sadiq Khan to declare the city independent from the rest of the UK and stay in the EU.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/londoners-call-capital-break-away-8276156

Dare we call this treason?

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'Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.' So I think you can dare to call it treason if you insist, since the sovereign Republic of London will never fly. I'd sooner call it silly venting, though. As it happens, I am one of the 1.5 million, so Leave was my vote. On the other hand, I most certainly didn't vote for the appalling Sadiq Khan. Does that make him not my Mayor? Alas, no, the Mayor is chosen not on my personal whim but on who wins election to the position, and I get the same Mayor as everyone else, whether I voted for him or not. But the apparent inability of some Remain proponents in London to grasp the, I would have thought, fairly basic democratic principle of acceptance of outcomes (a difficulty they share with many Scots, it would seem) is as I say more silly than sinister.
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