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This outcome is gladdening my heart and I hope only ''the best'' for Comrade Corbyn in the future as he tries to negotiate his way around a lot of UB40 forms at the DHSS in the years to come.
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My  thoughts exactly. I have little doubt that he we will lead Labour into the worst electoral debacle they've ever suffered, but I have equally little doubt that his hard left, Marxist supporters will keep him in power as Leader, which is all to the good. He can lead Labour into permanent marginality! 


What most seems to enthuse people about Corbyn is his economic views and the idea that he isn't the usual politician that we are used to in the post-Blair age. I don't understand why they can't find someone like that who hasn't associated with the IRA and doesn't think we were in the wrong to defend the Falklands. Is it that hard?
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Because unfortunately, there are many inside Labour for whom a hatred of Britain and everything British comes naturally to them. And it's taboo to talk about why as well.
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What most seems to enthuse people about Corbyn is his economic views ...

His economic views, if implemented, would drag Britain back 40 years, and in a decade or so, would turn it into a third-world, socialist, hell-hole, like those his mates, Jong-un and Raul rule over.

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I must admit I'm hardly an expert on the details of Labour's economic policies.

Personally though, I'm a distributist, or in essence a traditional conservative in economics as elsewhere (cf. Bonald and a long line of traditional conservative critiques of unalloyed classical liberal economics). I'm a fan neither of social democracy nor of neoliberalism. But if we are stuck with these two, or a combination of them, I think we have gone a little bit too far in the direction of the latter. Neoliberalism seems to be struggling itself these days, especially as far as the average person is concerned. In fact the view that the middle and working classes are seeing their standard of living decline has become so prevalent that I wouldn't be surprised that we have a change of direction, just as we did forty years ago with the rise of neoliberalism.* And the privatisation for privatisation's sake hardly seems to have always been a stunning success, far from it.

* It's unlikely to happen, but I think there would be an opening for a movement that combined social and cultural conservatism with a distributist economic position.
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It's not so much economics but the disturbing geopolitical views of Corbyn and co: namely the sympathy for the IRA, Hezbollah, Hamas and just about anti anti-Western, anti-imperialist and Third Worldist cause popular on the Left. It seems that a hatred of anything British is acceptable for a self-hating elite, or one bent on the destruction of everything the great nation of Britain has built from Day One.
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This outcome is gladdening my heart and I hope only ''the best'' for Comrade Corbyn in the future as he tries to negotiate his way around a lot of UB40 forms at the DHSS in the years to come.

That will not be his fate. He's past retirement age, and anyway it's the DWP nowadays. Also, like most people who proclaim their Socialist purity, I imagine he's got a fair bit tucked away.
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/804198/Labour-Jeremy-Corbyn-Diane-Abbott-IRA-laws-Northern-Ireland-Elected-Authorities-Act-1989

At least in Spain, the Left never associated itself (as far as I know) with the 50-year terrorist campaign of ETA, who announced this year that they are unilaterally disarming. On the other hand, large parts of the British Left have always been sympathetic to Irish Republicanism.
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That will not be his fate. He's past retirement age, and anyway it's the DWP nowadays. Also, like most people who proclaim their Socialist purity, I imagine he's got a fair bit tucked away.


I understand he has well over a million in his pension pot.


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I'm a fan neither of social democracy nor of neoliberalism.


If Corbyn were just a social democrat, I wouldn't be too worried. The problem is that he, his Shadow Chancellor, and the vast majority of his supporters in the Party are not social democrats. They are hard-left Marxists.

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True. I had in mind what little I have heard of Labour's policies, like lower uni fees, increased access to affordable housing, and railway nationalisation. But Corbyn himself is certainly more radical that that.
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The Eurocrat/Europhile axis exposed:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/804428/Oxbridge-Grayling-EU-MEPs-Brexit-resistance

Remainiacs/Remoaners only half of the Remain vote:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/804462/Vince-Cable-Liberal-Democrat-Remain-vote-Tim-Farron-Brexit
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An interesting new hire for the Corbyn campaign. And here's a link to the gentleman in question, showing that the article has its facts straight about his aristocratic background. Well, generally speaking, agnatically he's a Murray, the Drummond part comes through a female line and was not derived directly from any Earl of Perth, though the same family. If they had delved a bit deeper they would have found at least one descent from Charles II as well, I did easily enough, which you would think was interesting enough to mention.

But that's all by the by. Personally I wouldn't deprecate his opinions purely because they go against his background, people aren't chained by their birth to one particular view. But if the article has its facts straight too about his views and career, which I have to assume it does, what a vile and wicked abomination of a man. That Corbyn can tolerate such a creature in his presence says a great deal about him and about how deeply he is in thrall to the trade union movement (totalitarian wing).
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Keep in mind Corbyn's spin chief Seumas Milne is a Communist apologist and a Putin supporter, and Corbyn appeared on the Iranian regime's propaganda TV station at least once. That's the company they keep: enemies of the free world.
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I don't know whether to trust the likes of the Independent and similar sources my Facebook friends keep sharing or liking, so I will ask here. Does anyone know if it is true Labour is becoming competitive?
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