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Wessexman

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Perhaps Corbyn thinks that it is better to get his thumping loss over sooner rather than later. He might think he can face it down now, but after another three years in charge, he won't have the same appeal if he loses in a landslide.
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Peter, the Monster Raving Loony Party definitely still exists. Whether they will put up a candidate to stand in your constituency I don't know.
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Perhaps Corbyn thinks that it is better to get his thumping loss over sooner rather than later. He might think he can face it down now, but after another three years in charge, he won't have the same appeal if he loses in a landslide.


Commie Corbyn lives in la la land! I think he actually believes that Labour may gain a majority and he may be Her Majesty's First Minister!

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The suggestion makes a lot of sense, actually. With the frankly deranged way the Labour leader is currently elected, it is quite possible that Corbyn could survive in the post even if the worst predictions of the outcome (from the Labour point of view) are fulfilled, and then some. After another three years of chaos in the party, probably not, there would be no possibility of claiming that things will somehow turn around. It is notable that despite his instruction to vote in favour of yesterday's motion the bulk of those voting against were Labour MPs, nine in all, and plenty more abstained. His control over the wider party may be strong, but over the Parliamentary party is near non-existent, with little prospect of an improvement in that respect.

I'm still torn over voting. I didn't in the last election but had a pretty fair excuse then, as I was in hospital having recently emerged from a two-week coma and at the time couldn't even speak due to the breathing tube in my throat. Arranging a postal vote was not exactly the first thing on my extremely confused mind when I regained consciousness, and in fact I was only peripherally aware the election was even happening. I believe people should vote, which obviously means I should, I love where I'm living now and hope to be here for years and years, and am I really going to disenfranchise myself, local elections aside, until Duncan Smith retires? It'll probably come down to how I feel on the day.
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EU member states threaten to commit self-harm by being hardline on Brexit:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4461506/STEPHEN-GLOVER-m-glad-leaving.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4461436/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-EU-bully-boys-fear-democracy.html

Clearly, the Eurocrats value power over the security, prosperity and welfare of their people. No different then to a Communist or Islamist dictatorship.
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I regard the current intransigence of EU leaders as little more than posturing, playing to the gallery of their own peoples and maybe (though I am sure futilely) hoping to influence the upcoming election in favour of someone who, unlike Mrs May but like say Tony Blair, will allow them to get away with murder in the negotiations. As Stephen Glover says in your first link, they are likely to be at least a little more realistic once negotiations actually begin. On the second link, while I would not concede the Spanish one square inch of Gibraltar they do in fact already have a veto on its future, which originates not in the European Council but in the Treaties of Utrecht; if Britain ever gives up sovereignty the territory must be offered first to Spain before any other arrangements (such as independence) could be made.
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Well things are looking increasingly dark for the supporters of the EU, thanks to advances being made by Marine Le Pen in the French elections.  As she consolidates her position on the right, Macron appears to be failing to do so on the center left.  If France goes far right, then the EU is doomed in my opinion.  Brexit will be less painful for Britain if that is the case.

http://www.reuters.com/video/2017/05/01/marine-le-pen-is-gaining-on-emmanuel-mac?videoId=371585623

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/04/29/526195277/marine-le-pen-aligns-with-mainstream-onetime-rival

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/marine-le-pen-front-national-upbeat-leftwing-lethargy-french-elections

http://www.newsweek.com/marine-le-pen-euro-impact-eu-emmanuel-macron-591701

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Oh, you tease me, Ethio.   If only.
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The EU seems to be trying to annoy Brits, with all this talk about Gibraltar and reuniting Ireland and not giving us a decent hearing. It is a strange tactic. You'd think they'd want to look moderate and sensible to try to convince some Britons the wrong choice was made, even if only to play into bien pensant opinion. This kind of behaviour will just make many fence-sitters glad leave won.

On France, it was interesting the Republican candidate quickly came out for Macron. It would be interesting to know what he would have said if the Socialist or far-left candidate were going up against Le Pen.
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There is a European Council press release here on the negotiating guidelines agreed at the recent meeting. Note that there is a glitch at (V) 27, which appears to be incomplete and merged with 28. Much of the text seems unexceptionable, but some parts condescending and provocative. On the particular questions of Ireland and Gibraltar, and I will throw in the Sovereign Base Areas of Cyprus, Ireland and Cyprus are covered in (III) 11 and 12 and Gibraltar in (IV) 24 respectively.

Both the first two appear to show that the European Council does not understand the meaning of the word 'sovereignty'. The last is a piece of crass and offensive stupidity, giving the Spanish awkward squad a veto not so much over Gibraltar's future but over any agreement concerning anything whatsoever between the EU and Britain post-exit. Of course they have such a veto anyway over many matters, as all member states do, but this particular piece of idiocy positively urges them to make the issue an obstacle at every turn, regardless of its relevance or their reasonableness. Which I suppose is pretty much what they do now, but is it really sensible to issue a gilt-edged invitation to them to carry on doing it?
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The EU now appears to have made its own exit. From the planet. Ninety-two billion? Oh, make it 192. Or 1,192. Why not, one delusional figure is as good as another, so no reason to think small. If their plan for the negotiations is to be as obstructive and bullying as possible it won't ever work. And the current row over Britain's refusal to sign off on the EU budget could be just a foretaste of how obstructive and awkward we could make ourselves. If they want that they can have it. The word 'abrogation' also comes increasingly to mind, though I know that's just from vexation. Refusing to agree to anything whatsoever that requires unanimity is however a real possibility if the Commission and national leaders don't start behaving like grown-ups.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4467930/Who-d-want-ruled-risible-Juncker.html

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A UK UDI is fast springing to mind, after all it 'worked for the colonies' they were forced to relinquish (a generation or two too early for my liking), by a much similar sounding crowd in the 'fifties and 'sixties.
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French Europhile candidate Macron threatens Ireland and its corporate tax rate:
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2017/0504/872591-emmanuel-macron/

Juncker embarrasses himself:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4475540/Jean-Claude-Juncker-DRUNK-bumping-furniture.html

And Greece set for more pain?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/800293/Economist-robert-halver-Greece-bailout-will-go-ahead-save-Eurozone-stop-grexit-eu-germany
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The EU seems to be trying to annoy Brits, with all this talk about Gibraltar and reuniting Ireland and not giving us a decent hearing. It is a strange tactic. You'd think they'd want to look moderate and sensible to try to convince some Britons the wrong choice was made, even if only to play into bien pensant opinion. This kind of behaviour will just make many fence-sitters glad leave won.


The EU, let's face it, uses regionalist sentiments in the British Isles and Spain to further its own goals. Decentralisation, regional variety et al may be good things, but there is no doubt in my mind that in their present form they are being used as instruments to weaken allegiance to nation-states and strengthen dependency upon the EU.


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On France, it was interesting the Republican candidate quickly came out for Macron. It would be interesting to know what he would have said if the Socialist or far-left candidate were going up against Le Pen.


Had Fillon made the second round, it would have been harder to pick between him and Le Pen. Even Melenchon, though I'd never vote for him, has made noises critical of the EU. The shame is that Nicolas Dupont-Aignan (a sound Eurosceptic) and Jean Lassalle (a rural traditionalist and small-town mayor) didn't get the support or attention they deserve.

There were also weird conspiracy theorists in the race like François Asselineau and Jacques Cheminade. They and the rather extremist Henry De Lesquen (who ended up not running at all) all happen to be former civil servants too... [sneaky]
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