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Ethiomonarchist

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His Majesty the King of Saudi Arabia in a surprise move, has removed his nephew, Prince Mohammed bin Nayef as Crown Prince and heir to the throne of the Kingdom.  In his place he has installed his own son Prince Mohammed bin Salman as the new Crown Prince and heir, as well as deputy Prime Minister.

Traditionally, the succession in Saudi Arabia has gone from elder brother to younger brother among the sons of the founding King Abdul Aziz.  As the sons of the founding King have aged, questions have been raised as to who in the younger generation of grandsons would succeed eventually, when they would do so, and what the order of succession will be.  King Salman has apparently answered those questions, and has effectively cut off all other royal lines (including the lines of previous kings) from the succession and limited it to his own direct heirs.  This may cause some considerable friction within the House of Saud.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/middleeast/saudi-arabia-crown-prince/index.html

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Could a "War of the Saudi Succession" break out like what has blotted the copybooks of the Royal Houses on other continents perhaps?
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I certainly hope not.  Saudi Arabia is already the source of enough instability in the Islamic world, I would hate to see the country consumed in something like that.  It would be a calamity for the whole world.
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What I've heard is that the move was made possibly to ensure a certain, well, certainty with a longer period between transitions.
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King Salman has apparently answered those questions, and has effectively cut off all other royal lines (including the lines of previous kings) from the succession and limited it to his own direct heirs. 


I understood, from the reports I read, that it was specifically forbidden by HM that Prince Mohammed bin Nayef transmit the Crown to his direct heirs, in a move to stave off resentment by other branches of the Royal Family.

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I understood, from the reports I read, that it was specifically forbidden by HM that Prince Mohammed bin Nayef transmit the Crown to his direct heirs, in a move to stave off resentment by other branches of the Royal Family.


That's exactly the problem.  Prince Mohammed bin Nayef was forbiddent to to transmit the throne to his own direct heirs so that King Salman's son Mohammed bin Salman could eventually inherit.  King Salman however has now removed Mohammed bin Nayef altogether.  Prince Mohammed bin Salman has no such limit as to whom he can pass the throne onto, and I'm fairly certain he will pass it on to his sons rather than a cousin.

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I was actually going to start a thread on this myself.
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There is an interesting piece here on the new Crown Prince. It seems that, contrary to my fears expressed on another thread, the wider royal family (this being Saudi Arabia, wider is as in 'the Grand Canyon is wider than a rut in the road') has accepted the change without demur. While the same is unlikely to be true of the religious establishment that propelled the Al-Saud dynasty to power in the first place and has more or less ruled the roost ever since, Mohammed bin Salman has already recorded successes against what is the true source of all the evil in that appalling country. Reason to hope, then? The article focusses rather more on reasons for alarm, particularly on the mischief an alliance of the idiot Trump and the firebrand bin Salman could lead to. On Trump, I am afraid I have made up my mind. He looked a dismal prospect before election and has appeared worse still with every month that has passed since. Bin Salman, it is early days yet and who knows, he might do well. Or at least produce more good than harm.
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The new Crown Prince has lots of expectations to live up to, and lots of wary observers.

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2017/0627/Saudi-youth-move-Why-crown-prince-may-struggle-to-win-over-young-subjects

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A claim has been reported that the former Crown Prince was ousted due to an addiction to painkillers that developed after he was injured in a 2009 assassination attempt. If true, the justification would depend I suppose on the nature of the painkillers and whether they were likely to cloud judgement. Say they were opiates, I can tell you from personal experience (arising from prescribed pain management, not recreational use) that they most certainly would. And from historical knowledge that in the days before the dangers of these substances were understood there were monarchs and others high in royal houses who were so addicted, and the outcome was never good. But we are never likely to know either the truth or the exact nature of the addiction. The only things we can be sure of are that the coup happened, and that ambition will have played its part along with any other reasons there may have been.
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