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Sad news, but a noble age to reach. One hopes that his heir might not maintain the separate claim, which can only harm the Brazilian Imperial House, but that will be up to him. Oh yes, Pedro de Alcántara Gastão João Maria Filipe Lourenço Humberto Miguel Gabriel Rafael Gonzaga de Orléans e Bragança. I can do this stuff in Word, but generally I just search for either the exact name or any word with the accent I want on the Internet and paste it in, that's easiest.

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His Imperial and Royal Highness Dom Pedro Gastao was married to the late Dona Maria Esperanza de Bourbon of the Two Sicilies, a sister of the late Dona Maria Mercedes Countess of Barcelona (mother of King Juan Carlos of Spain).  Dom Pedro Gastao of Orleans-Braganza was also the grandfather of Their Royal Highnesses, Princes Peter, Alexander and Philip Karadjordjevic, the sons of Crown Prince Alexander of Serbia. 


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One hopes that his heir might not maintain the separate claim, which can only harm the Brazilian Imperial House, but that will be up to him.

Well, unfortunately, Prince Pedro Carlos looks as if he is maintaining the claim of his father to the Brazilian throne. On an interesting side note, King Juan III of Spain and King Henri VI of France supported the late Prince Pedro Gastao's claim. Another interesting factoid: Prince Pedro Carlos' eldest son, Prince Pedro Thiago was kidnapped for about a week when he was 13 and was indicted when he was 23 on charges of theft of some porcelain dishes belonging to his aunt Princess Cristina Maria of Orleans-Braganza.


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By Juan III you presumably mean the father of the present King, rather than the Carlist claimant who has been dead for 120 years. I'm not really interested in his support, or in that of the late Count of Paris. Both were brothers-in-law of Dom Pedro Gastão, which might conceivably have influenced their thinking. It seems to me that Dom Pedro's father's renunciation was quite clear-cut, his desired bride was not dynastically acceptable, therefore in order to marry her he renounced the succession for himself and his heirs.

If he or his heirs can then suddenly backtrack, no one knows at any time who the heir might be. Imagine that the Empire of Brazil had continued in being, is the enthroned Emperor to step down because some cousin has suddenly announced that he thinks he might be the Emperor after all? It would be a nonsense. A renunciation is a renunciation, and that's the end of it.
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If a throne is occupied I'd agree 100%.
If a throne has 'other legitimate claimants' I'd agree 99.5%

If the 'descendants of the renunciator' are the ONLY claimants, I'd be willing to listen.....

Are the 'rightful heirs' maintaining their titles in pretense?


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Not wishing to prolong this discussion to the point where the thread goes entirely off-topic, I agree that if the descendants of a renunciator are the only descendants left then it is necessary to reconsider.

PS The junior line, senior since the renunciation, have always most firmly maintained their claim to the Brazilian throne.
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THE GRANDFATHER OF THEIR ROYAL HIGHNESSES PRINCE PETER, PRINCE PHILIP AND PRINCE ALEXANDER DIES IN SPAIN

Belgrade, 27 December 2007 - His Royal Highness Crown Prince Alexander II has received with great sadness the news that His Imperial and Royal Highness Dom Pedro Gastao of Orleans and Bragança passed away today, Thursday 27 December, in Villamanrique de la Condesa near Sevilla, Spain. Dom Pedro (1913–2007) was the grandfather of Prince Peter, Prince Philip and Prince Alexander. He was the great-grandson of His Imperial Majesty Emperor Dom Pedro II of Brazil.

Dom Pedro was married to Her Royal and Imperial Royal Highness Dona Esperanza of Borbon-Sicily who died on 7 August 2005 also in the same town. She was the sister of King Juan Carlos of Spain’s late mother the Countess of Barcelona. Dom Pedro was very popular and will be greatly missed by the whole family. 

 

 

http://www.royalfamily.org/statements/state-det/state-1787.htm


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Her Royal and Imperial Royal Highness? There's an extra "Royal" in there, surely, also "Imperial" customarily comes before "Royal". I'm not just being pedantic, I'm trying to be helpful, in the presumption that you can get this changed.

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Unfortunately, I can do nothing about it....


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Just a friendly reminder to HMJ, Ethiomonarchist, and everyone else who might post on this thread: If you hear of the death of a royal or noble before i do, plz do not post anything about it until I have made note of the deceased's passing on this thread.


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Why would you ask the rest of us to wait (you might miss someone you know....)?

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 Her Royal Highness Princess Galyani Vadhana of Thailand* died yesterday at the age of 84. She was the eldest sister of HM King Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand and of HM King Ananda Mahidol of Thailand, and was born in London, England on May 6th, 1923.
 She was the only daughter of His Royal Highness Prince Mahidol Adulyadej of Songkla, who was himself the sixty-ninth son of King Chulalongkorn and Chulalongkorn's seventh by Queen Savang Vadhana, and of Miss Sangwal Talabhat (later HRH Princess Srinagarindra, the Princess Mother). She was christened Mom Chao Galyani Vadhana Mahidol by HM King Vajiravudh, and was promoted to royal status (Princess of Thailand) by HM King Prajadhipok at the age of 4.
 On July 11th, 1944, she married Colonel Aram Rattakun Serireongrit (1920-1982), at the time the Thai military attache in Switzerland, giving up her royal status until 1950. She had one daughter by this marriage, Thanpuying Dhasanawalaya Sornsongkram, who was born on November 11th, 1945. She later divorced the Colonel and later remarried on September 24th, 1969 to His Highness Prince Varananda Dhavaj (1923-1990), also known as Prince Waranonthawat.
 She had been in Siriraj Hospital in Bangkok since June 2007, where she died at 2:54 A.M. on Wednesday, January 2nd, 2008. The Royal Household Bureau has announced a period of 100 days' mourning, effective from the day of her death. Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont has announced that government agencies and officials will wear black for 15 days while the Cabinet of Thailand will wear black for the full 100-day mourning period.

*Her formal name and title was Somdej Phra Chao Pinang Ther Chao Fa Galyani Vadhana Kromma Luang Naradhivas Rajanagarindra, which is loosely translated as Her Royal Highness Princess Galyani Vadhana, the Princess of Naradhivas.

Her Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galyani_Vadhana

Titles:
 May 6th, 1923-November 8th, 1927: Her Serene Highness Princess Galyani Vadhana Mahidol [Thai: Mom Chao Galyani Vadhana Mahidol]
 November 8th, 1927-July 10th, 1934: Her Highness Princess Galyani Vadhana [Thai: Phra Vorawongse Ther Phra Ong Chao Galyani Vadhana]
 July 10th, 1934-July 11th, 1944: Her Royal Highness Princess Galyani Vadhana [Thai: Somdej Phra Chao Pinang Ther Chao Fa Galyani Vadhana]
 July 11th, 1944-March 25th, 1950: Mrs. Galyani Vadhana Ratanakul Serireungriddhi
 March 25th, 1950-May 6th, 1995: Her Royal Highness Princess Galyani Vadhana [Thai: Somdej Phra Chao Pinang Ther Chao Fa Galyani Vadhana]
 May 6th, 1995-January 2nd, 2008: Her Royal Highness Princess Galyani Vadhana, the Princess of Naradhivas [Thai: Somdej Phra Chao Pinang Ther Chao Fa Galyani Vadhana Kromma Luang Naradhivas Rajanagarindra]

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Irena Gorska-Damiecka died on New Years' Day at the age of 97 in Skolimow, Poland. She was born on October 20th, 1910 in Ashmyany, Vilna Guberniya (modern day Hrodna voblast, Belarus) as a commoner. She acquired noble status in 1940 when she married Dobieslaw Damiecki, of the Dabrowa coat of arms. She was an actor, as was her husband. Their children, Damian and Maciej Damiecki, and their grandchildren, Grzegorz, Mateusz, and Matylda Damiecki, were also actors. In addition to this, they are all nobles.


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OK, I know this is not a noble or royal death, but I thought this needs to be put here simply b/c of its significance to monarchism.

Dr. Erich Kastner, the last known German World War I veteran, has died. He was 107 at the time of his death in Hanover on New Years' Day. He was born on March 10th, 1900, a subject of Kaiser Wilhelm II, who he is said to have marched before in a parade in November of 1918. He joined the Imperial German Army in July 1918 and became a member of the Sonder-Bataillon Hauck, serving on the Western Front. Unless the German monarchy is resotred, he will be the last person to have fought for any German monarch, ever.

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Thank you for sharing this rather sad news.

May the people of Germany again have a King over them - though perhaps restoration of the many 'German Principalities' rather than the German Empire as a whole....


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