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DavidV

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http://www.romaniatv.net/ponta-daca-51prc-dintre-romani-vor-monarhie-vom-schimba-constitutia_178013.html

Ponta says that if a majority of Romanians desire a restoration, the constitution can be changed. It's a very encouraging sign that politicians appear prepared to be entrusted the decision to the monarchy to the electorate.

It's only fair. Almost no monarchy was ever abolished by a democratic referendum, with Italy being certainly dubious and Greece taking place in unfair circumstances. A referendum on restoration in Albania in 1997 failed mainly due to the fact that the country's internal conflict made a free and fair vote impossible, as politicians have conceded.

Now you see, it can be done any number of ways. Normal democratic politics is, let's face it, an adversarial affair - Left v Right, Liberal v Conservative, pro-life v pro-choice, pro-gun v anti-gun, monarchy v republic or others issues you care to name.

But a decision can also be achieved by consensus (which, let's face it, too many things are and often not to our liking), or it can be achieved in an inquisitorial manner. By which I mean that a sort of inquiry can be held - determine what we all know that the abolition of the Romanian monarchy (like all other abolitions) was unquestionably illegal, the support that a restoration would gather, the grounds for restoration and so forth.
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If he were elected President of Romania and the population voted in favour of restoring the Romanian monarchy, of course he'd have to resign. You can't have two heads of state- well, unless you're Andorra or San Marino, but those are special cases.


Wait I thought Ponta wasn't gonna run for the presidency ?

I just assumed he meant resign from being Prime Minister.
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Wait I thought Ponta wasn't gonna run for the presidency ?

I just assumed he meant resign from being Prime Minister.


Uh, he's been running for weeks, and is the favorite to win I believe.
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And it continues:
http://www.romania-insider.com/romanian-pm-launches-new-campaign-theme-referendum-for-monarchy/133897/
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Wait I thought Ponta wasn't gonna run for the presidency ?

I just assumed he meant resign from being Prime Minister.


Uh, he's been running for weeks, and is the favorite to win I believe.


Sorry, I somehow missed it.
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My hopes and heart gladdens with every day that passes, the momentum must surely be building for this to happen, my extremities are starting to cross in earnest, it would make for a nice 'book-end' to the events of 1947, if by 2017 we once again have a Michael I on the throne of Romania.
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Interesting argument made by the Hungarian minority leader using the possible monarchy referendum as an excuse for expanding the constitution to expand minority rights like autonomy and more official languages as both issues involve changing the constitution. He says that if the monarchy would have 110% support they still couldn't change the constitution arguing that it prohibits change. A monarchy restoration could be a precedent to changing of the constitution to give Szakely Land more autonomy.
http://www.voceatransilvaniei.ro/kelemen-hunor-daca-maine-110-din-populatia-romaniei-se-va-pronunta-pentru-monarhie-constitutionala-nu-se-poate-realiza/

While it may seem harmless I feel if a referendum would happen this might be a possible issue used by republicans against the monarchy restoration ,as expanding Hungarian rights is very unpopular for most of the country. I can also foresee republicans using Paul Lambrino as another tool to use against monarchy especially since the court ruled in his favor before. If a referendum is indeed coming it might be good if monarchists start to prepare for the flood of republican arguments and prepare rebuttals. 

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As much as it might be unpopular to say so, I have always thought that the Grand Principality of Transylvania ought to be revived as an autonomous province within a revived Kingdom of Hungary, itself within a union of Austria-Hungary-Bohemia. Sadly, there is the chance that the Hungarians would seek a complete reunion and in turn revenge through a revival of Magyarization--HIRM Franz Josef I, as admirable and talented as he was, made a great mistake in merely forwarding the Transylvanian Memorandum to the Hungarian government. (The Nationality Act of 1868, which intended to guarantee non-Hungarian rights, was not all that effective after a period of time.) In any event, Ponta's campaign seems to be riding on the 100th anniversary of the union of Transylvania with Romania.

It must be kept in mind that, before 1844, Latin was the Kingdom of Hungary's official language. (Even as late as the time of Maria Theresa, the Hungarian nobles proclaimed, in response to her plea for help, "Vitam et sanguinem pro rege nostro Maria Theresia!") Pity that no country seems to use it much these days--most Hungarians would probably want the Hungarian language to remain the official language even if the Kingdom were revived with all its former borders and ethnicities.

EDIT: In case anybody tries to bring the issue up, I am aware that, before 1867, the Grand Principality of Transylvania was a separate Habsburg province.

EDIT 2: Just because I feel like pointing it out, it seems to me that, while Kossuth may have lost 1848, the disgusting Magyar nationalism he represented won in 1867--and in effect contributed to the destruction of the Kingdom of Hungary. Not that Romanian nationalism is much better, to be honest. I suppose that, before any solution to the Transylvanian question can be accepted by both the Romanians and the Hungarians, the two must come to an understanding--and who better to do that than the monarchs?
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Kossuth did not actually win in 1848-49. The more moderate liberals, led by Deak, prevailed and established the compromise of 1867. The current government of Viktor Orban has, in keeping with its nationalist line, taken a more activist role regarding Hungarian minorities outside its borders which means Slovakia, Romania and Serbia. In each case, Hungarian minority parties frequently play a crucial and decisive role in parliamentary politics.

Moldova should have been merged with Romania and the monarchy restored after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. There is no reason for it to exist as a separate country, for a separate Moldovan identity was only possible due to Russian and later Soviet rule. The ethnic issue of Transnistria and Gagauzia is also a complication.
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Kossuth did not actually win in 1848-49. The more moderate liberals, led by Deak, prevailed and established the compromise of 1867.


And it was the initial liberal government that created the aforementioned Nationalities Act of 1868, which should've been enough to placate the minorities. Unfortunately, in the years after Andrássy and Deák left Hungarian politics (the former to become Foreign Minister of Austria-Hungary), it was not followed much, not to mention the fact that the later prime ministers tended to be more hardline nationalists (despite being part of the Liberal Party), resulting in a gradually-strengthening Magyarisation that alienated the minorities.

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Moldova should have been merged with Romania and the monarchy restored after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. There is no reason for it to exist as a separate country, for a separate Moldovan identity was only possible due to Russian and later Soviet rule. The ethnic issue of Transnistria and Gagauzia is also a complication.


The fact that such a bizarre construct as Moldova still exists is....well, asinine. Perhaps if (or when) the monarchy is restored, an army will be sent in to end its pathetic existence.

I'll admit I'd never heard of the Gagauz until now. As for Transnistria, it should technically be a part of Ukraine by modern borders. (One half belonged to Poland-Lithuania, the other to the Crimean Khanate.)
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More on the fusing of monarchism and unionism in Romania:
http://www.rgnpress.ro/rgn_14/categorii/analize-interviuri/15206-petru-bogatu-romania-devine-unionist-i-monarhist.html
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More on the fusing of monarchism and unionism in Romania:
http://www.rgnpress.ro/rgn_14/categorii/analize-interviuri/15206-petru-bogatu-romania-devine-unionist-i-monarhist.html


Not sure why you keep posting these without much explanation when most people here don't understand Romanian. : o
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Crown Princess Margareta has commented on a referendum on the monarchy by saying it "it would be very nice" and that Romanians now have hope for the future.

https://www.mondonews.ro/principesa-margareta-revenirea-la-monarhie-ar-fi-un-lucru-foarte-frumos/

It would be interesting to see King Michael have a comment though I supposed it will be the same old thing of I am ready when called.

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More on the fusing of monarchism and unionism in Romania:
http://www.rgnpress.ro/rgn_14/categorii/analize-interviuri/15206-petru-bogatu-romania-devine-unionist-i-monarhist.html


Not sure why you keep posting these without much explanation when most people here don't understand Romanian. : o


I suggest using Google Translate. Sure, the articles can come out incoherent at times, but you can get the basic gist.
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Google Chrome has an in-built feature, hence no problem for me to go to any foreign-language website.

What Romanian monarchists need at this moment is support from monarchists elsewhere. The monarchist case is invariably stronger, and its emotional appeal likely to carry it in any vote.
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