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AugieDoggie

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Hmmm, it's about time a monarchist organization pointed out the sheer hypocrisy of these republicans who put in those constitutional articles preventing the fall of their republic!

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I'm too much of a jaded pessimist for all of this. I can't help but expect that this will all end in tears.


I know how you feel. However, as the recent Scottish referendum has shown, there is still a chance that monarchists can win out in the end. (Of course, things will certainly be more difficult in those countries that have lost their monarchies. Monarchists must hope against hope, so to speak.)
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Another presidential candidate has come out to support a referendum for the monarchy: Dan Diaconescu. He is leader of one the largest parties in Romania and is a populist. He has been switching back and forth from 4th to 5th on the polls for president. Though as a populist he has a whole list of issues for referendum like reintroducing the death penalty. 

http://www.ziare.com/dan-diaconescu/candidat-alegeri-prezidentiale-2014/dan-diaconescu-ce-promite-1325339

He probably will lose the election but he was one of the last candidates to have an opinion on the monarchy other then the Hungarian minority party. While top candidate Victor Ponta has been very respectful of the royal family and the monarchy he still hasn't commented about a referendum or restoration. Hopefully the PNL wins cause they are most sympathetic for a restoration. 

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Never in a long time have we seen such positive vibes about a restoration campaign when mainstream politicians actually back a referendum - in other words, they are prepared to entrust the decision to the electorate. And that's a very rare thing on constitutional issues in a republic.
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Another presidential candidate has joined the monarchy referendum club: Monica Macovei. She is a current member of the EU parliament and former Minister of Justice, she is independent. She is currently polling 5th in the race but dips up and down to 6th or 7th. She calls for a referendum for the monarchy along with political immunity. She envisions a Dutch style monarchy where the King is the only one who can prosecute government officials by royal decree. Since the King wouldn't protect corrupt politicians like currently she finds this the best use for the monarchy.

http://www.ziarulatac.ro/eveniment/imunitatea-si-echilibrul-puterilor-43777


This leaves Victor Ponta and the Hungarian minority candidate as the last two candidates not to endorse a referendum (Ironically right wing candidate Vadim is anti-monarchy which i am guessing is just resentment against King Michael for overthrowing Antonescu). 

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You mean Tudor of Greater Romania who is called the "Le Pen of the Carpathians"? He's not had any serious support or credibility in years.

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Well it has finally arrived, Victor Ponta agrees a referendum should happen however he took a more negative tone(republican) saying that "we're in the 90s when we feared the king comes to take our country". He also underscored his excellent relationship with the Royal Family. In the past he was a staunch republican but recently has quieted his view making him seem sympathetic however now his true colors are showing:
http://www.b365.ro/victor-ponta-gata-sa-organizeze-referendum-pentru-monarhie-nu-vine-regele-sa-ne-ia-tara_216753.html

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Remember who Ponta's coalition partners are the PNL and PC, who by nature are inclined to have monarchist sympathisers within.
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This is extremely encouraging, although we've been disappointed before; I had high hopes for Libya, but the royalist movement there appears to have run out of steam, or at least ceased to receive much attention- perhaps unsurprisingly in light of Libya's more immediate problems. Still, Romania is looking more and more like the most likely candidate for a monarchical restoration in the next few years. It can only be hoped that the referendum delivers a pro-monarchy result, and that this galvanises monarchists in neighbouring countries where there is still considerable monarchist sentiment. King Michael of Romania is one of the monarchs I think most deserves to be restored to his rightful throne, but he's 92 years old and the old clock's a-ticking, so the sooner the better. I can only imagine the field day we'd have here on these forums if there was an actual restoration!
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Interesting article about how historic this election is in that its the first were all the candidates are trying to court the monarchist vote. According to the article it puts 30% of the public in favor of restoration. It also says the National Alliance for the Restoration of the Monarchy does not endorse any candidate.

http://www.ziuaconstanta.ro/informatii/alegeri-prezidentiale-2014/premiera-istorica-in-campania-prezidentiala-ce-i-uneste-pe-patru-dintre-candidatii-la-presedintie-515719.html

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Remember who Ponta's coalition partners are the PNL and PC, who by nature are inclined to have monarchist sympathisers within.


The PSD, PNL and PC coalition disbanded in February 2014 so each are independent now. Ideally we need the PNL to win as they are most sympathetic party to the monarchy that has a chance of winning.

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Well if we look at the events which resulted in King Michael ceasing to be King of Romania, there was no refferendum then, so not sure why it would really be necessary now.

I mean forcing the king to resign against his will with no popular vote on the matter could not have constitutional so....shouldn't Romania technically be a Kingdom by default, if we adhere to the republican's constant demands of approval by popular opinion ?
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Well that's what I think, but it seems hard to get people to agree to that.
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Prince Radu speaks:
http://www.romaniaregala.ro/jurnal/%E2%80%9Erolul-monarhiei-in-modernizarea-romaniei-timisoara-9-octombrie-2014/
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Prime Minister Ponta announced on a Romanian tv show he promises a referendum for the monarchy. This is a change from his noncommittal view before. He says that even though Romania is a republic now, monarchy is becoming more attractive for people and he thinks its fair to have a referendum. He was discussing the only ways he would resign and monarchy was one of them.

http://www.ziare.com/victor-ponta/candidat-alegeri-prezidentiale-2014/ponta-prezidentiabilul-care-promite-referendum-pentru-monarhie-cred-ca-ar-fi-corect-1328490

  

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Prime Minister Ponta announced on a Romanian tv show he promises a referendum for the monarchy. This is a change from his noncommittal view before. He says that even though Romania is a republic now, monarchy is becoming more attractive for people and he thinks its fair to have a referendum. He was discussing the only ways he would resign and monarchy was one of them.

http://www.ziare.com/victor-ponta/candidat-alegeri-prezidentiale-2014/ponta-prezidentiabilul-care-promite-referendum-pentru-monarhie-cred-ca-ar-fi-corect-1328490

  


So he'd still resign despite the change to functioning of the country being more symbolic.
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If he were elected President of Romania and the population voted in favour of restoring the Romanian monarchy, of course he'd have to resign. You can't have two heads of state- well, unless you're Andorra or San Marino, but those are special cases.
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