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Since Crin Antonescu resigned as leader of his party it looks less likely that he would run for president he also said recently he wouldn't run unless his party or people ask him especially if the polling looks good. Hopefully someone else from his party is as pro-monarchy as Antonescu. Victor Ponta the current Prime Minister and leading candidate so far has been a mystery on his views of the monarchy. He has stated he a republican but recently he has taken a pro-monarchy stances as public support grows for the monarchy. I believe Romania can return to the monarchy soon if they can take advantage of the pro-monarchy swing of parliament. 
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A Romanian article about monarchy, costs and reality: http://www.dcnews.ro/ai-plati-5-euro-pe-an-pentru-restaurarea-monarhiei_336432.html
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God be with them. All this makes me hate communists and Marxists even more. They just want to destroy everything beautiful, human and noble. Monarchy, the Church, and true culture they hate. They hate family and the inequality of nature that is beautiful. They want to make equal what is not equal. The schools are their breeding grounds where they can brainwash the proletariat to hate aristocracy and monarchy while shouting, "Democracy! Liberty! Equality!" without even knowing what they are talking about. They rely on the general laziness of people to get their ugly egalitarian society across.

One problem is the EU. The EU is just one vile neo-Marxist means to destroy the sovereignty and culture of various nations. Nationalism is raising but painted with a broad sweep of extremism by the media. Even though I am not a fan of nationalism it is better than globalism. When a people at least love their country and do not want to be part of some "union" with the rest of Europe there is more likely to be a monarchy. Romanians need to be proud to be Romanians and sing with pride their anthem:

Români din patru unghiuri, acum ori niciodatăRomanians from the four corners, now or never
Uniți-vă în cuget, uniți-vă-n simțiri.Unite in thought, unite in feeling
Strigați în lumea largă că Dunărea-i furatăProclaim to the wide world that the Danube is stolen
Prin intrigă și silă, viclene uneltiri.Through intrigue and coercion, sly machinations.
 
Preoți, cu crucea-n frunte căci oastea e creştină,Priests, lead with your crucifixes, for our army is Christian,
Deviza-i libertate și scopul ei preasfânt.The motto is Liberty and its goal is holy,
Murim mai bine-n luptă, cu glorie deplină,Better to die in battle, in full glory,
Decât să fim sclavi iarăși în vechiul nost' pământ.Than to once again be slaves upon our ancient ground!

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The ONLY true union of peoples is a Personal one and the ONLY way to do this successfully is through a family connection, because without some sort of family bond well we are nothing. Any repulic ony offers us the shigamis path of death and destruction. A monarchy is the truest rhythm of life unfolded through time.
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Also if we're being technical here, shouldn't Romania be a monarchy by default since it's deposition was illegal and undoubtedly unconstitutional ?

Not that any politicians would suggest such a thing.
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Also if we're being technical here, shouldn't Romania be a monarchy by default since it's deposition was illegal and undoubtedly unconstitutional ?

Not that any politicians would suggest such a thing.


No, because that goes against the globalist notion of democracy being spread. What would it look like if they had allowed Romania to become a monarchy? It's why they need to leave the EU. As long as they are a part of something like that any individualism or real sovereignty cannot happen. Of course we can see with Russia what happens when you make war with "the West" by not playing their games. And I'm not saying this because I like Russia and Putin--let's avoid all that. I am saying that half the reason at least Russia is painted as an evil imperialistic nation is because they refuse to play by the game of Western imperialism. If Romania left the EU, that's what would happen--they would be attacked. Monarchy is not going to happen unless Romania makes clear its national sovereignty.

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Of all Caesar's murderers was Marcus Brutus just. Marcus Brutus was a true hero of liberty and sincere, Plutarch saying that only he was free of personal or passionate motivations. He acted for liberty alone. But it was murder and they kept the noble Cicero out of the conspiracy because they knew he would think it unjust to kill a Roman, even a tyrant, without a trial. It would be unlawful. The fall of the Republic was tragic, but divine. The Empire rose because God willed Constantine to bring the Roman people to Christianity. Only a monarch could do that. Even Plutarch, who seems a republican, admits that a monarchy was the divine will. The murder, however noble it was in Brutus heart, was still murder and a most heinous species of murder because of its nature.
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Also if we're being technical here, shouldn't Romania be a monarchy by default since it's deposition was illegal and undoubtedly unconstitutional ?

Not that any politicians would suggest such a thing.


No, because that goes against the globalist notion of democracy being spread. What would it look like if they had allowed Romania to become a monarchy? It's why they need to leave the EU. As long as they are a part of something like that any individualism or real sovereignty cannot happen. Of course we can see with Russia what happens when you make war with "the West" by not playing their games. And I'm not saying this because I like Russia and Putin--let's avoid all that. I am saying that half the reason at least Russia is painted as an evil imperialistic nation is because they refuse to play by the game of Western imperialism. If Romania left the EU, that's what would happen--they would be attacked. Monarchy is not going to happen unless Romania makes clear its national sovereignty.


Well yes, but on the other hand one cannot argue the whole farcical nature of the so called "separatist" "movement" in the East of Ukraine (these so called separatists also kindnapped an OSCE observer from my country and then claimed it was for a "birthday celebration"), or Russia's seizure of the land of another country going through political turmoil.

I honestly think that the rhetoric is a bit too extreme. I don't like the EU really, and would preffer the Euro to be abandoned among others. But well, I stand somewhere in the middle on this whole thing.
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While I am against the EU, many of its member states are constitutional monarchies. I don't see how the EU could officially oppose a restoration of constitutional monarchy in Romania or any other country without implicitly invalidating the present constitutions of Belgium (that most "pro-European" of nations), Luxembourg, Netherlands, Spain, etc.. Since there are already monarchies in the EU I don't see why Romania theoretically could not be both a monarchy and an EU member.
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Well we can deal with working within the EU simply because we would prefer to destroy the EU from within. It is not an obstacle to promoting monarchism or restoring monarchies. 

BrutusEtCaesar falls into the trap of defending Russia even though Russia is a belligerent power who makes its neighbours and near-neighbours uncomfortable. As a Catholic I am concerned for Catholics in Ukraine, and Catholic Poland is no friend to Russia.
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Well we can deal with working within the EU simply because we would prefer to destroy the EU from within. It is not an obstacle to promoting monarchism or restoring monarchies. 



As you know I like the EU, but I wonder how you would think to destroy the EU without countries leaving it?

Eurosceptics always seem a bit confused to me about what they want. Nigel Farage said once that his main goal is to get Europe out of the EU. Which is a goal that manages to combine strident nationalism with trying to influence the fate of other countries, and a goal that could become harder if the UK would in fact leave the EU, as they would no longer be around to block stuff. 
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As you know I like the EU, but I wonder how you would think to destroy the EU without countries leaving it?

Eurosceptics always seem a bit confused to me about what they want. Nigel Farage said once that his main goal is to get Europe out of the EU. Which is a goal that manages to combine strident nationalism with trying to influence the fate of other countries, and a goal that could become harder if the UK would in fact leave the EU, as they would no longer be around to block stuff. 


I think Farage's main goal is to get Britain to leave the EU. Obviously, us British would prefer not to have a suprastate just over the channel, but our main goal is certainly simply to leave the EU.

Personally, I don't think the EU is compatible with monarchy in the long term, or at least not with a monarchy that isn't supremely symbolic. If you read some good historical works on the founding of the EU, like Booker and North's The Great Deception, one sees that the long term goal of the EU has always been to create a superstate, since the days of Monnet and Spaak. This will marginalise monarchy even further. And I wouldn't be surprised if, sooner or later, the Eurocrats decided even symbolic monarchy was not compatible with their project. It must be remembered that the Eurocrats have always been made use of deception and gradualism to achieve their aims. After the EDC fiasco, indeed, Monnent and others deliberately sought to remove references to the superstate aspects of their project until it was essentially a fait accompli. So, that the EU doesn't currently oppose symbolic monarchy is no guarantee what it will do in the future. 

Whilst I'm quite decentralist and regionalist, I'm not a nationalist per se. But still, I still think the nation state is the best practical foreseeable future for England, and the EU does little positive for us. 


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http://www.gandul.info/voteaza/sondaj-republica-sau-monarhie-ce-alegeti-13030277

This opinion poll shows monarchy in front!
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Wahoo!

Could this be a sign that things are changing? Why, three-quarters of the voters are favorable towards a monarchy! (And what of Hungary, Serbia, etc.?)

Now if only the government didn't have any ex-Communists in it...
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Very encouraging and hoping for a domino effect to take hold across south eastern Europe. Those numbers are purely fantastic too.
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This is also an Internet poll, and thus must be taken with a grain of salt, especially as the respondents are going to be self-selected, biasing the sample.

More reliable polls indicate (earlier in this thread) that as of recently, support for the Royal House is hovering just under 40% and in increasing at a rate of 2% per year. It should be noted that such support is outnumbered by republicans, who number about 47% or so. Luckily, there will not be any referendum on monarchy this year, given that presidential elections are scheduled for November or December. So we won't shoot ourselves in the foot by losing a referendum held too soon, before support for monarchy in Romania has consolidated. What would help is a President favorable to restoration, like Crin Antonescu perhaps. And we need further increases in pro-monarchy sentiment in the country. We need at least parity between republicans and monarchists in order to have a good chance at winning a referendum.
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