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I put this in Google Translate and it said "Romanian-detected."

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The first manifestation of anti Romania , which took place just name day of King Michael I , November 8 , in 1945 , was stifled by the violence of the government of Petru Groza . Even abdication of His Majesty King Michael I, 30 December 1947, would be invalid because it was not approved either by the Romanian Parliament today . About monarchy , communism or how was celebrated November 8 King Michael 's name day , in an interview with historian and journalist Filip -Lucian Iorga.

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Reporter : What is the significance of the 8th of November in Romania's recent history ?

Filip -Lucian Iorga Until the forced abdication of His Majesty King Michael I of Romania , November 8 , the day Orthodox Christians celebrate his Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, was the national holiday of Romania, because it was the day of the King's birthday them. If May 10 was National Day and October 25 , the birthday of the King, has always been a celebration more discreet , November 8 was the day on which people could express attachment to the person of the King and to the values they embody them .

A: I know, however, that October 25 has a meaning very little known by the general public .

FLI : Here you can see how right was the late Alexander Paleologu when he said that the wickedness goes well with stupidity . Communists were not just bad , they were also incredibly stupid and uninformed . Think about that , throughout the communist dictatorship Romanian Army Day was celebrated on October 25 to mark the release , on 25 October 1944 by the 9th Infantry Division , which , the last Romanian territory under occupation Horthyst . Had no idea that the assault was committed intentionally King Michael , on the occasion of his birthday. Even today , after 20 years of regime change is not enough connection between the two events .

R. : What happened to King Michael 's name day in November 8, 1945 ?

F.L.I. : On November 8, 1945 , c. 15,000 people , especially young people , gathered in the Royal Palace Square to pay tribute to the young King 's birthday birthday. It was a manifestation of affection for the King who had taken Romania alliance with Nazi Germany, but also a gesture of support to the King, in his conflict with the pro-Communist government of Petru Groza , which was imposed by the Soviets , without popular support. Michael King opposed the installation of this government illegitimate and entered the famous " royal strike " ( August 1945 - January 1946 ) , refusing to sign the Doctor Petru Groza government laws .

A: Many of King's detractors accuse him of weakness.

FLI : Organization and assuming the Act of August 23 , 1944, which meant out of the alliance with Nazi Germany and entering coalition defending the values of the free world , was an act of great courage. Germany had troops in Romania and King may be canceled at any time physically for his decision to take Romania out of the sphere of influence of Hitler . Then King openly opposed the Communists, the royal strike , in defiance of the crushing strength of the Soviet Union . Does what other acts of bravery have to talk to argue the evidence that Michael King was a brave king and patriot ?

R. : It is said that by the Act of August 23 , King brought the Russians and communism in the country.

FLI : do not make sense to waste time with such absurd assertions ! The Soviets would have taken anyway Romania and Germany lost the game . King managed , again, by an act of great personal courage, to save what could be saved at the moment.

A: Going back to November 8, 1945 .

FLI : peaceful protesters , students , war veterans , intellectuals , officials came to the Palace Square primarily as patriots and the royalists , and then the party members. Sure , many of them were members of the two major democratic parties Romanian National Liberal Party and the National Peasant Party . The protest was, however, one party , but a national one and anti- royalist . To suppress the demonstration , Petru Groza government (whose Minister of Interior was communist Teohari Georgescu ) sent several trucks with workers. The crackdown resulted in 11 dead, hundreds injured and several arrests. The meeting of November 8, 1945 was the first major manifestation of anti Romania and last event table to defend civil liberties and democracy, before the establishment of the communist regime . On 8 November 1945 the Romanian democratic The students expressed their love for the young King Michael , together with that come a painful war and invested their hopes in a free and prosperous future . Braised when courage and generosity of generations long crackdown communists began half a century , the national being mutilated and closed horizons any hopes.

R: What was the role of the monarchy in history ?

FLI : First, the monarchy is the traditional form of government in Romanian historical provinces . Then constitutional monarchy instituted in 1866 by King Charles I is " guilty " of modernizing the state of Romania's transformation from an Ottoman province into a prosperous European country and respect for cultural and economic booms in the second half of the nineteenth century and in the interwar period of independence in 1877 and the Romanian people in 1918 . Romanian Dynasty was a balancing factor , a sign of prestige, a binder and a ferment Romanian nation .

R: What is the legitimacy of the Republic in Romania ?

FLI : Act abdication of His Majesty King Mihai I, on December 30 , 1947, is void because it was snatched at gunpoint and under blackmail killing of 1,000 young people arrested at the meeting in 1945. Moreover, the Romanian Parliament has never approved this act . Romanian People's Republic was established by fraud , without having popular support and relying solely on the support of Soviet troops in the country. Republic brought with her crimes , the arrest of hundreds of thousands of innocent people , proletcultism meant to brainwash the younger generations , destroying elites and promoting reverse selection , population poverty , moral decay . He then Socialist Republic of Romania , headed by an illiterate paranoid , which established a cult of personality insane , similar to North Korea, which destroyed a large part of the historical heritage of the country and held people in hunger , cold and fear , the famous " three F" . After 1989, he missed the historic opportunity of restoring the monarchy and continued to indulge in the Republic of Ion Iliescu , supported by sticks super miners and red barons . Today marks Republic Traian Basescu undoubtedly one of the most difficult times ever went through Romania . More than 20 years after the collapse of communism , the resurfacing authoritarian overtones , the level of morality in public life is lower than ever , the economic situation is disastrous , much of the intelligentsia is severely compromised by collaboration with Basescu regime and leadership country is corrupt and irresponsible hands . Values are overturned, reverse selection ( one that favor the incompetent blackmailed ) is the predominant criterion for accession to leadership positions .

A: However , President Basescu condemned communism .

FLI : A commendable gesture , probably one of the few positive things in his mandates . We do not discuss here what he did or is sincerely convinced of things to read when in Parliament , it is important that it did and that remains . Unfortunately, things have remained purely symbolic level . After winning the second term , Basescu regime hastened to remove one of the few people who actually worked towards practical condemnation of communist crimes . It's Marius Oprea. If the communist regime was characterized by the President as " illegitimate and criminal" I do not see why the Republic , institutional vehicle through which communism has done crimes , still survives .

R: Do you think the restoration of the Monarchy can solve all these problems?

FLI : I do not advocate Messianism in history and I think that a person or institution can replace a single track its natural society . But I think that Romania needs balance, dignity, morality and identity. That is exactly the things that can bring the country Romanian dynasty if they had the chance to rule again. Monarchy will not solve all problems, but we will help us resolve them. King will not work for us , but will restore respect for our work.

R. : But King celebrates 90 years next year . To what extent it is possible to restore the Monarchy ?

F.L.I. : M. S. King Michael is not only a great king , respected around the world and a Romanian patriot . It is also a very good , patient and wise . His heroism comes not only from what he has done for the country, but also of what it lost . King Michael lost a country but nevertheless not abandoned again. Decades worked for Romanian away , waiting to return home . The fact that M.S. King Michael is still with us is a privilege for his contemporaries , but also a harsh lesson . We show how beautiful we could be with the King on the throne, but we talk about our infirmities about missed chances , on pain of unfulfilled debt . King's presence among us still talking about what we have done for our country , starting with an analysis of their conscience and ending with institutional resettlement country. Age is not an impediment King on the contrary , is a treasure of experience and wisdom. And with His Majesty Crown Princess Margareta stand with Prince Consort Radu and the royal family . In spring 2010 , the young Prince Nicholas received the title of Royal Highness King . The Royal Family has a future , important for us is that this future to be confused with Romania .

A: From time to time , the Royal House face image shots like now claims Dieter Stanzeleit .

FLI : These nonsense Image not blow Royal House of Romania , because they , in fact, nothing to do with it. As Paul Lambrino not part of the Royal Family and all claims of this is ridiculous , it is obvious that romanticized history on which Dieter Stanzeleit allegedly son of King is an invention from one end to the other . Regrettably these diversions occur on a regular basis , allow me to say , no accident . Fortunately , Romanians are smart enough to distinguish between a true King , a grandson of flowers and a son imagined .

R: What is the current role of the Royal Family of Romania ?

FLI : Whether or not reigns , Romanian Royal Family remain a guarantee of identity and a model for the Romanian society . Charity of HRH Princess Margarita of Romania , the namesake foundation that leads HRH Prince Radu work as Special Representative of the Government ( between governments Nastase Tăriceanu ) , and all the other activities undertaken by the Royal House shows that it is a presence living in the Romanian society , an institution that derives its strength from the glorious history of the dynasty , and uses the same time , all the tools of modernity to better the Romanian people.

R. : Monday, November 8 , from 18.00 at the Romanian Athenaeum , held an event for the birthdays of the King and anticommunist demonstration in 1945.

FLI : Monday, November 8, 2010 , starting at 18.00 , took place at the Romanian Athenaeum in the presence AALLRR Crown Princess Margareta and Prince Radu of Romania , an evocation of the great manifestations of anti November 8, 1945 . On the occasion of birthdays of His Majesty King Michael I of Romania , Romanian Athenaeum hosted the event entitled November 8, 1945 - 8th November , 2010. 65 years after the first demonstration of anti Romania . Competition gave master Dan Gregory, and Victor Rebenciuc Mihuţ Mariana actors and violinist Ioana Cristina Goicea . Presentation historic meeting in 1945 was made by acad . Dinu C. Giurescu . Demonstrators took part in the November 8, 1945 , Association of Military Tradition , young politicians and civil society representatives . The event was organized by the National Alliance for the Kingdom of Romania ( NAR ) , the Civic Alliance , Romanian Institute for Recent History , National Liberal Youth Foundation Horia Rusu Foundation Coposu Foundation Cultural Memory , Cultural Foundation Youth Initiative for modernization Erbiceanu and Romania.

R: What does the National Alliance for the Kingdom of Romania ?

FLI : NAR is an alliance which includes several civil society organizations , who believe that the return to a constitutional monarchy could be an alternative to institutional deadlock and identity that we are at the moment.

In 65 years at the rally in front of the Royal Palace and the nearly 21 years since the regime change of 1989, the National Alliance for the Kingdom of Romania invites reflection relaxed and fresh , without bitterness or prejudice. Our initiative comes from the part of civil society that refused to enroll in continued political and campaign for the values of a free society for critical thinking and honesty in public life.

What form of government was monarchical tradition which was Romanian Royal Family of Romania 's role in the modernization of the state, strengthening national identity and achieve international prestige of the country ? What does M. S. 1945 students King Mihai and what we see today ? What would have been the restoration of the monarchy in 1990 and which is still today the alternative? What brought the republican regime of Romania ? Why , over 20 years after the fall of communism ( he who overthrew the monarchy ) , the recent project of the National Defense Strategy , the Republican form of government is included in the "national interest " ? All these issues deserve careful consideration.

In a country going through a deep economic crisis , social and moral , in a seemingly unable to discern the authentic values of false patterns and themes, NAR wants to bring to public debate the virtues of a constitutional monarchy and the need for a permanent presence effective Royal Family of Romania in Romanian society .



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More: http://eponymousflower.blogspot.pt/2014/03/romanian-monarchists-call-for.html
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Was kinda wondering if there was anything more about this, as the last post was in March and this was supposed to be going on during April.
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Crin Antonescu, leader of the National Liberal Party (PNL) which is one of the main partners of the ruling coalition with the Social Democrats (PSD) and the Conservative Party (PC), states that the monarchy could be a viable project as the republic has insufficient legitimacy:
http://activenews.ro/antonescu-republica-noastra-nu-destula-legitimitate-monarhia-ar-putea-fi-un-proiect_1837236.html
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The republic will certainly last out this year considering they're holding presidential elections in either November or December, I forget which. And guess who the favorite is? You're right, it's Crin Antonescu! His term, if he actually does win, will probably begin in early 2015, and I would think he shall begin work on a possible restoration of the Romanian monarchy. Of course, the real question is, just how much of Romania would support a restoration? The last polls I can remember on the question were in 2008 and showed less than a fifth of the country in favor of restoring the monarchy. How much has this changed in the intervening 6 years? We'd actually need about 1 out of every 3 Romanians changing their minds to favor monarchy to succeed.
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I think that this is not a big problem.

After 60 years of propaganda against the Monarchy,  of course the majority of population thinks that Monarchy is an anachronistic restage of the past, in Romania as in other countries.

Only intellectual minds can see by themselves the vantages of Monarchy.

But if a new power man  makes with the media some propaganda in favor of Monarchy, although small, the majority of population will change ideas very quickly !      

People usually follow football or/and singers,  or gossip,  as the media push them to follow. . . . . .

Best wishes !
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I think it's a positive development, as in Libya, when mainstream politicians are actually talking about it in a serious manner. Romania has a high-profile monarchist movement that has become better organised of late, and a Royal Family who are active as if they were performing duties of state like the recent visit to Israel. The movement needs serious support and lobbying on its behalf nationally and globally. The fact is that positive sentiments towards the monarchy from politicians and the general public at this moment outweigh negative ones.
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"Monarchy is not a memory but could be a project" - Crin Antonescu
http://www.agerpres.ro/politica/2014/05/16/antonescu-monarhia-nu-e-o-amintire-ar-putea-fi-si-un-proiect-22-23-01
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Thank you, David !

Also without enter in the translation of the article indicated by you, it seems to be a good and positive step in the way of Restore the Monarchy!  
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Last survey on 1st/7th of May 2014 about the restoration of the monarchy: 47% of Romanian support the republic against 30% in favor of the monarchy. 45% of surveyed people (1056 people) have a good image of the royal house.

Mai trebuie să luptăm! SONDAJ: Aproape jumătate dintre români încă ar vota împotriva monarhiei <a href=http://adevarul.ro/news/politica/sondaj-aproape-jumatate-romani-vota-monarhiei-1_538615270d133766a8155dab/index.html" style="left: 0px;" rel="lightbox[1282969786]" />


http://internationale.monarchiste.com/?l=gb&charte


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hubertgaston what on earth happened to the end of your post, it's going off the page! 

Btw, I'll have some analysis of the poll hubertgaston posted ASAP.
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OK, some analysis of that poll hubertgaston posted:

The sample size was 1,056 people, which ought to mean the survey is fairly reliable in terms of telling us things. It was also apparently conducted between May 1st and May 7th, 2014.

Also of note, the graph hubertgaston posted shows the results of a prior survey conducted in July 2013, which is awesome for comparison purposes. I also recall some years ago having read (somewhere) of surveys on the question of restoration of the Romanian monarchy from back in 2007 and 2008 that showed support at 16% and 18%, respectively.

Now, in 2013 27% of Romanians supported a restoration, and in 2014 30% did so. Adding in the data from 2007 and 2008 I read about before, we find that monarchism has been rising at 2% annually except in 2013, when it rose from a hypothesized 26% to 27%, and in 2014, when it corrected the low increase in 2013 by growing 3%. At this pace, 50% of Romanians will be monarchists in 2024, and I would expect a victory in any referendum on the question would certainly occur by then, if simple majority were the terms for victory. Interestingly enough, Crin Antonescu, the favorite in 2014's presidential election, should he be elected to a second term in 2019, would be completing his second and final term in 2024. Perhaps by then support will be enough to make Crin Antonescu's successor a monarch? I hope so.

Unfortunately, between 2013 and 2014 support for retaining the republic went from 39% to 47%, however this appears to have come from, as in the case of the increase in monarchism, a decline in the number of don't know/don't respond answers from 33% to 22%.

Now, for the views of the Royal House of Romania:

The amount of people with either good or very good views of the Royal House rose from 41% in 2013 to 45% in 2014. Conversely, the amount of people with either bad or very bad views of the Royal House rose from 6.4% in 2013 to 11.8% in 2014. The amount of people with neutral (neither good nor bad) views of the Royal House dropped from 43.5% to 37.8% between 2013 and 2014. Also, the number of don't know/didn't respond answers dropped as well from 9.1% to 5.6% over the same timeframe. To me, this indicates that more and more Romanians are making up their minds about the Romanian monarchy, but to date I don't think much, if any, of them have changed their minds in either direction. This means the undecided vote for any potential future referendum is declining.

I find it interesting that 15% of Romanians have a favorable view of the Royal House but aren't yet expressing any wish to restore the monarchy. Assuming they all did indeed vote for the monarchy in any referendum, the vote would be 45% for monarchy, 47% for the republic, and 7.5% undecided. And therein lies the problem. Namely, that while republicans only need 3% out of the remaining truly undecideds to win a referendum, we'd need 5% to see a restoration. That's about two-thirds of those who presumably are both undecided on the question of restoration and who have neither a good or bad view of the Royal House. A tall order, especially given that in a crunch, these people may be more apt to opt for, so to speak, the devil they know rather than the devil they don't.

Personally, I'd say we should give support for a restoration more time to grow before trying for a referendum. I'd also want to see polls in 2015 gauge the change in support for a restoration to see how much further we've improved. That, and given Crin Antonescu's public statements indicating at least sympathy for the restoration project, I'd also think he should be elected President of Romania before we proceed. I simply don't see outgoing President Basescu approving a referendum this year, and quite frankly the terrain may be better next year or in a few years hence. My two cents.

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Another government MP in favour of restoration. The coalition is made up of the PSD, PNL and PC:
http://www.enational.ro/news/deputatul-psd-ninel-peia-vrea-reinstaurarea-monarhiei-in-romania-410523.html/
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Thank you, DavidV !
Can you give us a short, syntetic translation ?
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Also, apparently a humongous number of MPs in Romania have demanded President Traian Basescu resign in response to a corruption scandal involving his brother, who was recently briefly arrested. And presidential elections in which Crin Antonescu, who's been openly sympathetic towards a restoration as of late, is at least likely to make the second round. He may even win in the first round if the PM decides not to run for President.
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