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I think Ethio make clear that the current government is againts the monarchy, hence Pragmatist response



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It does not matter there is always some one you can fine in the government that will give any assistance in your cause to restore the monarchy in Ethiopia you have to get off your behind and do work.  This is the problem with monarchist they love the pageantry and the splendor of monarchy but they fail to understand what monarchism is all about.

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The current government is led by a party that believes in an ethnicist federal policy, and in what it calls "revolutionary democracy", (an odd blend of marxist and capitalist economics with authoritarianism that makes China look liberal while paying lip service to multi-party politics). These are not compatible with a restoration of a monarchy which has always championed Ethiopianess over ethnic identity, and certainly not with a "liberal democracy" (liberal in the traditional sense, which is actually conservative right of center, not in the American usage of the word wich equates it with left of center politics) in conjunction with constitutional monarchy which is what the Imperial Family have supported.  The Ethiopian military is dominated by an officer corps made up entirely of the former guerilla leaders of the EPRDF, and their primary loyalty is to the party. 

In the polarized environment of the current political scene in Ethiopia, it would be unwise for the Imperial family to be too closely linked to such a party and the government that it dominates.

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There must be a way to restore the monarchy.

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There is always a way, just not with the EPRDF government.


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When is the next election in Ethiopia?  The imperial family should support a democractic party that is for the people but support that party secretly.  Then make the move to restore the monarchy.

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we could hope that the EPRDF party all committed 'assisted suicide', then the peoples of Ethiopia come back to their senses and then reinstate their rightful monarch and their aristocracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh well back to reality


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Reinstate the House of Solomon and I'll leave the West behind! How tolerant are they of whites over there?

I know they have great pride(rightly so) for repulsing Imperialists.
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Black/White relations in Ethiopia have never been tinged with the resentment borne of colonialism that exists in other parts of Africa due to the fact that Ethiopia was never colonized.  There have been large numbers of Greeks, Armenians and other Europeans and middle easterners who have lived in Ethiopia for a very long time.  The first official embassy sent from Ethiopia to Europe which was sent by the Empress-Regent Eleni to King Manuel the Lucky of Portugal and Pope Leo X in 1513, was led by a man named "Matthew the Armenian".   More recently, Emperor Haile Selassie as Crown Prince and Regent visited the Holy Land in 1923 and seeing the plight of the Armenian holocaust orphans that the Armenian Patriarch of Jerusalem was caring for, adopted 40 of them.  Known as the "Arba Lijoch" (the forty children), these boys would form Ethiopia's first marching band which performed at the Emperor's coronation in 1930, and whose decendants continue to proudly call themselves the "Arba Lijoch" and who remain prominent in Ethiopian and in Ethiopian exile society.  There is an interesting story in connection to the "Arba Lijoch".  The band was asked to be present at Addis Ababa's train station to participate at the arrival ceremonies for the dignitaries attending the coronation of Emperor Haile Selassie and Empress Menen.  The Duke of Gloucester representing Britain, the Prince Eugenio, Duke of Udine representing Italy, Marshal Franchett D'Esperry representing the Republic of France (but a devoted monarchist), and others were all welcomed by members of the Imperial family while the band played thier respective national anthems.  Two days before the coronation, the representative of Turkey, Muhitin Pasha, stepped from the train.  The band remained silent, and the boys refused to play the Turkish anthem much to the embarassment of the Ethiopian princes who were welcoming the Pasha.  The Emperor was told about their refusal and he angrily stated that they must be punished for their disobedience.  They were summoned before the Emperor and his Crown Council to explain why they refused an Imperial order.  They boys wept and said they could not in good conscience play the anthem of the country that had butchered thier fathers and mothers.  Deeply moved the council ruled that the commandment of God that stated "Honor your mother and father" was greater than any royal command, and that they boys should not be punished.  The Emperor accepted this ruling.

The fascist authorities tried to enforce racial separation during the occupation of 1936 to 1941, but it was regularly ignored by both Ethiopians and Italians, as evidenced by the large number of mixed race children that were born during this time.

 When the British colonial forces under the South African General Cunningham took Addis Ababa from the Italians in 1941, they immediatly tried to enforce the racial separation rules which caused such deep resentment all around that they were almost immediately dropped.  Cunningham and other colonial British officials in Kenya and Sudan repeatedly urged London to prevent Emperor Haile Selassie, still fighting his way east from the Sudanese border, from entering the capital.  They cited the fact the "native blacks" were full of anger against the Italians for the horrendous massacres in 1936-37, and would butcher whites if the Emperor were to return.  Churchill being a man of his word refused to contemplate keeping the Emperor from his throne, and the Emperor returned to his capital on May 5th much to the shagrin of the British colonial officers.  His first statement issued from the Palace steps to his subjects was for Ethiopians to show their Christianity and civilization by forgiving the invader.  Not a single Italian was mistreated by an Ethiopian.  However, the British began rounding up large numbers of Italians and trucking them off to Kenyan and Tanganykan internment camps.  The conditions in these camps were not pleasant, and even the last Italian Vice-roy, Prince Amadeo, Duke of Aosta was interred (he would die in a POW camp).  Many Ethiopians (including many nobles) hid Italian neighbors and friends in their homes from the British.  The Emperor actually secretly encouraged this because he wanted the Italians to remain to help maintain what infrastructure they had built up over the 5 years of occupation.  A very large number of Italians remained in Ethiopia after the war and lived there for decades.  They lived much as the expatriate Indian,Greek and Armenian communities had for a long time, with their own church, and social club, and some became quite influencial at the Imperial court.  Italians in particular were prominent working in the National Highway Authority, the Electric company and with Import and Export companies.  Many became quite well to do and enjoyed a social status which they probably would not have enjoyed in Italy. 

Most all whites in Ethiopia learned Amharic, and some even had children with locals.  Greeks were involved in a variety of businesses, including imports and exports, various merchant businesses, vinyards, wineries etc.  Armenians had a long history of being Jewelers, embroyderers, and merchants as well.  There was also a small community of Russian exiles who had fled the revolution in 1917, including the Babitchev family which became quite prominent at court. 

Sadly, large numbers of whites fled the country during the tumult of the revolution in the early to mid-seventies.  They left not because of racial tension, but because of the "class warfare" of the communists that ran the country, and the nationalization of their businesses and estates along with those of Ethiopia's nobles and business classes.  They were largely identified with sympathy for the monarchy and so life in Ethiopia was no longer comfortable for them.  However, many have been returning in recent years now that things are more stable, often saying that Ethiopia was always their prefered home, and even having returned to their ancestral lands or other places in Europe, they were always homesick for Ethiopia.



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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)


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That was an excellent history lesson Ethiomonarchist!
Here's to the just dynasty being restored... If only...

How is the royal family regarded by the public in Ethiopia?


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Alright Ethiomonarchist, you have gotten me all fascinated with the House of Solomon again! See how dead threads do well sometimes.

Has Prince Zera made any overtures to restore the monarchy? I know Prince Ahma tried, but he sadly died.

It's nice to have someone who is more on the inside of Ethiopian side here on the forum, some stuff I have trouble finding on my own.
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H.I.H. Crown Prince Zera Yacob currently lives in Addis Ababa, as does his mother, H.I.M. Empresss Medferiashwork, and his sister H.I.H Princess Mariam Senna.  His other sisters, Princesses Sehin and Sefrash live in the U.S.  His daughter Princess Lidetta lives in London with her mother.  Also in Ethiopia are H.I.H. Princess Sara the Duchess of Harrar, and her sons Princes Michael, Tafari and Beede Mariam of Harrar.  Her eldest son, the current Duke of Harrar, Prince Wossen Seged, lives in the U.S.  H.I.H. Prince Ermias Sahle Selassie heads the Crown Council and lives in the suburbs of Washington DC as does his mother, Princess Mahizente Hapte Mariam who retired a few years ago after a long career with UNICEF.  Prince Ermias' sons, Princes Sahle Selassie (Christian) and Fiseha Tsion (Rufael) are in bording school in England where their mother also lives.  Princess Tenagnework's daughters and grandchildren live and travel between Ethiopia, Britain and the U.S. 

Most of the members of the Imperial family live private lives in Addis Ababa and abroad, and make no public statements.  Crown Prince Zera Yacob and Prince Ermias continue to occasionally make statements in connection with their roles as  head of the Imperial family, and President of the Crown Council respectively.  Prince Ermias is Grand Master of most of the Imperial Orders along with Prince Bekere Fikre Selassie (grandson of the late Emperor in Exile)( The Chain of Solomon's Seal, The Star of Solomon, the Star of Sheba, the Order of Menelik II, the Order of the Holy Trinity, the Order of Haile Selassie, the Order of the Ethiopian Lion, the Order of St. Anthony) and the Duke of Harrar is the Grand Master of the Order of St. Mary of Zion.  Prince Zera Yacob is soveriegn of all the orders.  The Orders continue to be awarded at the discretion of the Grand Masters in the name of the soveriegn of the orders.  Princess Mariam Sena heads a foundation which saves and restores historic buildings in Ethiopia.  The Imperial family has kept a low profile.  I have stated before (I think earlier in this thread) how the monarchist movement has fallen by the wayside due to some infighting and financial scandals in the Moa Anbessa party, and the Imperial family have disassociated themselves from the unpleasantness of all of that.  They are more focused on more charitable and cultural efforts.  However, they are treated by the public with a great deal of respect and deference, especially on public occasions such as the funerals of members of the family, or at weddings etc.  They are accorded their titles by the government which is other wise anti-monarchist.  The only exception to this is Empress Medferiashwork, who is accorded the title of Princess, as the government does not recognize her late husband's proclamation as Emperor in Exile.  The Ethiopian Orthodox Church also accords them all Imperial dignities.  Even after years of propoganda about "feudal oppression", Ethiopians continue to be very reverent towards the members of the House of Solomon. 



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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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Ethiomonarchist that is all good but it  is time for the imperial family to step up and do their duty.  You mention the government grant the imperial their imperial titles right so what does that tell you.  The people still honor and respect the imperial family what does that tell you there?  There is a window of opportunity there for the imperial family.  This tells you that the imperial house can be restored if they do what I mention in a earlier thread.

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Or they could ruin any chance of eventual restoration.

I think I can offer advise, but not give direction to the Royal Families.....


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They need to take a page from Miss Romanov's book and just start being public and doing nice things for people. Being vocal for monarchy without trying to force the issue. with only 33 years since the monarchy fell, I think some exposure helping the people and being with those in need and getting some free PR by being a constant during the trials in Ethiopian government. A day will come with some church endorsement, and a few missteps by the republican government, that the House of Solomon may make a nice comeback.

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