Monarchy Forum
Register Latest Topics
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment   Page 6 of 9     «   Prev   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   Next
AugieDoggie

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 304
Reply with quote  #76 
I do hope you come back to the other sections someday, Peter. By the way, it's interesting to see (thanks to you and this section) how all the European monarchs are indeed a sort of family.
royalcello

Avatar / Picture

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 6,768
Reply with quote  #77 
Sadly set to get less and less that way, thanks to the trend of marrying commoners.
Peter

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 6,567
Reply with quote  #78 

I really should have been working on the full introduction for 1371 and also the introduction and note on posterities for 1415, but haven't felt like it so have been doing the 1286 chart instead. It is now complete and split, but before I do any more with it I need to post a list of sovereigns as usual, which appears below. George Terter I of Bulgaria is not included as there is no possibility of linking him to any other sovereign, and there is no King of Poland as there was on the date, which was 19th March 1286, no King of Poland. I am aware that Armenia is not in Europe, but just for interest decided to include its then King anyway. The date lacks a Europe-wide significance but was very important for the future history of Scotland and England, as it was the day Alexander III of Scotland died in a tragic accident, causing the succession problems that led to the Scottish Wars of Independence, the events of which resonate to this day.

RealmMonarchFromToRealmMonarchFromTo
AragónAlfonso III12851291HungaryLászló IV12721290
ArmeniaLeo II12691289MoscowDaniel12631303
BohemiaVáclav II12781305NaplesCharles II12851309
CastileSancho IV12841295NavarreJeanne I12741305
CyprusHenri II12851324NorwayEirik II12801299
DenmarkErik V12591286PortugalDinis I12791325
EnglandEdward I12721307ScotlandAlexander III12491286
EREAndronicus II12821328SerbiaStephen Uroš II12821321
FrancePhilippe IV12851314SicilyJaume I12851296
GermanyRudolf I12731291SwedenMagnus III12751290

On another matter, while working on the 1286 chart I was curious as to the posterity of Leo II of Armenia. This turned out to include the Eastern Emperor Andronicus III, who was reigning in 1330. Exploring further, I found two very interesting descendants of his that I had missed before, one of whom had no need to be mentioned in the 1330 note on posterities and one who ought to have been, and since I amended the note today now is. The first was the Marquis de Sade, and the second is the Prince of Wales. Another thing I found while working on this chart was that King Stephen of England was an ancestor of Jeanne I of Navarre, and therefore of her grandson Edward III. I had previously thought and have said here that King Stephen's blood returned to the throne through Edward III's wife Philippa of Hainault, but was wrong as it had in fact already done so through her husband's mother Isabella of France.

KYMonarchist

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,368
Reply with quote  #79 
Cool, we're getting charts going back to the 13th century!
Peter

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 6,567
Reply with quote  #80 
Yep, and the connections are nearly 100% too. As mentioned the Bulgarian tsar could not be included (we don't even know who his parents were, which is not much of a start on finding relationships), and I could find no connections between Daniel of Moscow and Leo II of Armenia, which in a way doesn't count as I could validly leave him out anyway, or between Daniel and the German king Rudolf I and the Eastern Emperor Andronicus II, who do count. Everyone else though was related to everyone else, and a total 223 relationships between the 20 sovereigns will be shown.
Peter

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 6,567
Reply with quote  #81 
I have decided on a change of policy as regards the historical introductions. No, I am not going to drop them, little as I enjoy the writing and unsure as I am that anyone but me ever reads them they remain an important part of the concept for me. But they are not, obviously, as important as the charts; people droning on about history can be found in lots of places, but the charts are I believe unique. So to a lesser extent are the notes on posterities, though I have no conviction that anyone else reads those either. I am though bringing particular skills and knowledge to them, and I am not aware of any series of discussions anywhere else on the posterities of individual generations of monarchs over a span of many centuries.

So today instead of continuing the 1371 historical introduction I finished off the 1286 charts and statistics, then wrote the 1415 note (which if not quite as substantial as 1330 puts 1371 to shame). I have two more pieces of writing to do for 1415, which will be a scene-setting introduction on the lines of that currently in place for 1371 and a kind of essay on the posterity of one particular 1415 sovereign, which has (I think) all kinds of interesting features. There is another addendum for 1415 but that's an extra chart, sort of, which I did ages ago. These two pieces should be ready Sunday if not before, and I will post the thread when they are. Then I will do a similar kind of introduction for 1286. plus the introduction part II which has become standard for these earlier threads and, of course, its own note on posterities (there won't be any 'extras' for this thread). These should all be ready towards the end of next week and I can post the thread then, and begin working at my leisure on the three full introductions.

This will be better as the charts will not be held up. Also, in my rush to get the 1330 introduction finished so I could then post 1371 I got several things wrong, all I hope now corrected but still I don't want to rush at the remaining introductions and parhaps make more mistakes. I do plan a still earlier thread, but this will not be posted until next year, and certainly not until all the full introductions are in place for 1286, 1371 and 1415.

Once I post 1286 it will appear to be out of sequence, and will have to remain so for a while. I do intend to pin what will be the five additional threads into place, but this entails posting in every single thread currently above them, which is a pain. I only want to do it once, which is why I have not yet pinned and locked the additional year threads already there. They will eventually be locked, but until then replies directly to them as well as here would be welcomed.
KYMonarchist

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,368
Reply with quote  #82 
I try and read those introductions and posterities when I have time, Peter.
Peter

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 6,567
Reply with quote  #83 
Not an especially ringing endorsement, but appreciated just the same. Apologies for the delay in posting 1415, I got sidetracked working on the earlier project I mentioned, and also had considerable difficulty writing the 'essay' I mentioned. However after several retries that is now done to my reasonable satisfaction, and all that is left to do is knock out a temporary introduction part I and permanent part II. All being well I will have those done and post everything tomorrow, with 1286 to follow a few days later.
Peter

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 6,567
Reply with quote  #84 
Re the final paragraph of post #78, it belatedly occurred to me that since I traced the descent of the Prince of Wales from the Emperor Andronicus III through his Battenberg ancestry Felipe VI must also be a descendant. The 1330 note on posterities part II has now been amended to reflect this.
Peter

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 6,567
Reply with quote  #85 
The latest forum software change has made a mess of nearly all the keys and most of the charts (I thought at first that it was only the keys and the charts were largely unaffected, but no such luck). I will go through and fix everything, but it is going to be a long and laborious job, especially as the change has made posting keys considerably more complicated, so please excuse the present untidiness for a while. Looking on the bright side, it's an excuse for me to postpone writing the 1415 historical introduction ,,,
AugieDoggie

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 304
Reply with quote  #86 
Now, now, Peter, don't you procrastinate....[smile] Besides, the charts are looking fine to me.
Peter

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 6,567
Reply with quote  #87 
Despite AugieDoggie's well-meant prompt I have been cleaning up wreckage (and some of the charts and keys were not much more than that) rather than immersing myself in the monarchs of 1415. I'll get to them sometime. The 1914 threads (which I anticipate will be worst of all, not that I've been able to bring myself to look) and the four newest are still to do, but all the rest have at least been patched up, though further work will be needed on some. Eventually I'll get it all at least roughly how I want it, but I thought I would advise the current state of play as I am now going to break off from these efforts in order to do preparatory work for a new thread I hope to post on New Year's Day. This will complete the extended series, so after posting it I will be locking the new threads and getting everything pinned into order.

If people look at the new thread while I am posting they are likely to see some odd things. Another effect of the software change is that while before if something worked on preview then it would on the page, now if it works on preview it may do on the page, but probably won't. In fact the preview facility has been rendered, if not quite useless, the next thing to it. So I am likely to be posting charts unformatted and bits and pieces of keys, just to see if they work before I apply the often finicky final touches. It's all fun ...
KYMonarchist

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 1,368
Reply with quote  #88 
Peter, did you intend to put a link to Afonso II or III or Portugal in your 1215 chart? Also, I do believe that I am descended from Almodis de la Marche, a mentioned ancestor in that chart.
Peter

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 6,567
Reply with quote  #89 
Thanks KYM, now fixed. I shouldn't be surprised; she was trigamously (if there is such a word, which I doubt) married, and posterity survives from all three unions. I'll be locking the threads and pinning them into order later, but first I need a break after that marathon posting stint. I wish you and all who read this a very happy New Year.
Peter

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 6,567
Reply with quote  #90 

The locking and pinning is now all done. Apart from in the introduction thread all the new posts are variations on ‘replies should be made to the discussion thread’ so don’t bother reading them, just mark all read. While regretting the necessity of locking, I am pleased to at last have all threads in order and readily locatable. Full historical introductions remain to be done for the 1415, 1286 and new 1215 threads, and there is still a fair bit of cleanup to do from the forum software change, but I will advise here as I complete the outstanding work.

Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation: