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"Prince" Zylinsky sayes his father has sacrificed 33 Polish horsemen in order to liberate 6000 Jews. It indicates Zylinski is also Jew, but not any member of royal family...
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However, Wikipedia's article "Battle of Kaluszyn" does not mention any liberation of 6000 Jews...
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Lithuanian Vikipedija indicates the village Raguva belonged to the dukes Zilinskis in the 16th century and to dukes Oginski in the 17th century.
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Dear Sir,

I have only recently come across your forum discussions about the princely title of John Zylinski. I write to you in my capacity as Chairman of the Polish Knights of Malta in the UK.

  John’s uncle (Wojciech DOB 1912 and deceased in 2000) was a member of Sovereign and Military order of Malta (SMOM), or a Knight of Malta in short, and satisfactorily proved his nobility going back for many generations. John Zylinski, his nephew, is obviously entitled to be a Knight as well but has refrained, whilst supporting many of our activities.

  Some genealogists claim that the Princes Zylinski, originating from the original Russian "Kniaz/Bojars" (The Duke in Oxford ED), died out in the seventeen century but a book about the family attributes substantial evidence to the contrary. Written by the Chairman of the Warsaw Genealogical Society (Krzysztof Bakala), and published last month, it looks at the history of the family over 800 years.

There is many details of this family also included in 1895 published in Warsaw, by the famous
Gebethner and Wolff, author Joseph Wolff, "Kniaziowie Litewsko-Ruscy od konca 14 wieku".
in English: "Lithuania/Russia "Kniaz" families from the end of the 14 Century",
pages: 621-622.

   Many Polish families were forced to renounce or stop using their titles by various invaders, mainly the Russians. Over half the Polish nobility did so to survive. They went underground or simply become polonised.  Mr Bakala includes the Zylinski family among them.

  He clearly explains that more research is necessary but there is no evidence that the male line of the family died out and that all the evidence he has found points to John Zylinski being a genuine successor in this princely family. Brought up on the legend of a princely title, after much evidenced research, John Zylinski resurrected it.

  From his paternal grandmother, John Zylinski also has a blue blood. She was born Countess Rzewuska, a very well-known Polish name. There are 3 Rzewuski 18th century portraits in the Warsaw Royal Castle whose likeness is the spitting image of John Zylinski. Moreover, his paternal great grandmother was born Princess Ursyn Szantyr. This is the Polish branch of the princely Italian Orsini family.

  This means our Prince Zylinski is related to Catherine the Great of Russia as well as a dozen Popes, several dozen Cardinals and half a dozen Saints in Heaven. Not bad at all!

  I would also like to point out that in Poland many people and the media accept his title. Members of the Polish Government including the Prime Minister refer to him as Prince Jan Zylinski and he is regularly praised for his activities in the field of Polish heritage.

  Hopefully my words will contribute more information to your members on this subject.

 

 

Yours Faithfully.

 

Dr. Marek Stella-Sawicki MBE KM

Chairman, Polish Knights of Malta (UK)
Visiting Professor UCL

 

 

     

 

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John Zhilinsky writes his family history starts from Russian duke Zhilka who was killed in 1224. The encyclopedia "Kniaziowie litewsko-ruscy od konca XIV wieku" just guesses that dukes Zylinski originated from this Zhilka. So why were Russian dukes Zylinski  using Polish names ? According to our family legend, one young Zylinski was married to some two times older Smolensk duchess(Wiazemskaya).That is why their descendants were cripple and short living. The duke Andrzej Zylinski (died in 1602) had a son Piotr who lost his title of Lithuanian dukes, because he adopted Russian citizenship when Smolensk was captured by Russians from Lithuanians in 1656. His descendant Tsar's  chief of general staff Yakov Zhilinsky has buried two Russian armies in 1914...So Tsar's war minister Polivanov wrote in his diary that Zhilinsky is related to Jewish masons...It can be, because crusaders have brought by force our Jewish ancestors from Slovakian town Zhilina to Lithuania. So our ancestors have set their first village Zhilina(now Zhilinai) in Lithuania and started using surnames Zhilin,Zhilinsky,Zhilionis.
SO ZYLINSKI CAN BE A PRINCE ONLY IN FEMALE LINE, BUT WHY HE HIDES HIS FAMILY TREE.

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