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Wessexman

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Perhaps, although he does seem to know the limits. He hasn't ordered, for example, the legitimisation of divorce and remarriage, at most he has made a few tentative moves in this area.

It is hard to know whether Francis personally holds heretical opinions or is just naive.
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Perhaps, although he does seem to know the limits. He hasn't ordered, for example, the legitimisation of divorce and remarriage, at most he has made a few tentative moves in this area. It is hard to know whether Francis personally holds heretical opinions or is just naive.


I don't think he's naive. He is a highly trained Jesuit theologian, who was once Rector of the Theological Faculty at a Jesuit University. He knows exactly what he's saying. And his 'few tentative moves' in his Apostolic Exhortation 'Amoris Laetitia' are so deliberately vague that any Bishop who wishes to can admit adulterers to Holy Communion. They are skirting heresy so closely that four senior Cardinals have asked him to clarify them. Instead of clarifying what he said, he's loosed his bully boy apparatchiks to try to intimidate Their Eminences.

Here is an excellent article about what is going on:


Pope Francis’ Reported Words: “I Might Go Down in History for Having Split the Catholic Church”

http://www.onepeterfive.com/pope-francis-reported-words-might-go-history-split-church/




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But what can he do? As far as I can see, there is no way he can change the doctrine here. All he can do is tinker around the edges. To try to change doctrines like this would seem to endanger the whole Catholic idea of the magisterium and the faith.
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But what can he do? As far as I can see, there is no way he can change the doctrine here. All he can do is tinker around the edges. To try to change doctrines like this would seem to endanger the whole Catholic idea of the magisterium and the faith.


You are quite right that, 'To try to change doctrines like this would seem to endanger the whole Catholic idea of the magisterium and the faith'.

However, what he can do is to try to change doctrine, thereby causing all those who actually believe in Catholicism, as taught for the last 2000 years, to leave the Church by becoming, technically, sedevacantist. Millions. who know no better, will follow him. The remnant that truly are Catholic will coalesce around faithful Bishops and Priests and await, in God's good time, the coming of a truly Catholic Pope. As I believe I've said, my daily prayer is, 'How long, O God, how long, until you send us a Catholic Pope'?

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And here is the fruit of his 'skirting heresy'. The Bishops of Malta have assured adulterers than they may receive Holy Communion 'if they feel at peace with God'. This is a total departure from 2000 years of Catholic teaching!

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/01/13/maltas-bishops-tell-the-remarried-take-communion-if-you-feel-at-peace-with-god/

And notice the creeping heresy and modernism, even in the headline. A married Catholic, who has not received a Canonical annulment, cannot 'remarry'!

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'Monarchy can easily be ‘debunked;' but watch the faces, mark the accents of the debunkers. These are the men whose tap-root in Eden has been cut: whom no rumour of the polyphony, the dance, can reach - men to whom pebbles laid in a row are more beautiful than an arch. Yet even if they desire equality, they cannot reach it. Where men are forbidden to honour a king they honour millionaires, athletes or film-stars instead: even famous prostitutes or gangsters. For spiritual nature, like bodily nature, will be served; deny it food and it will gobble poison.' C.S. Lewis God save Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, etc.! Vive le Très haut, très puissant et très excellent Prince, Louis XX, Par la grâce de Dieu, Roi de France et de Navarre, Roi Très-chrétien!
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Perhaps, although he does seem to know the limits. He hasn't ordered, for example, the legitimisation of divorce and remarriage, at most he has made a few tentative moves in this area. It is hard to know whether Francis personally holds heretical opinions or is just naive.


More news on this little matter.

Canon Law and the Confessional: Another Conflict With Amoris Laetitia

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As was to be expected, the first cases are now coming up where priests are being punished for not going along with the new “spirit” of Amoris Laetitia. That is to say, for not willingly administering the Sacraments (especially Penance and the Eucharist) to the “remarried” divorcees who do not themselves intend to change their habitual way of life, yet still, wish to have open access to the Sacraments.'

 



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'Monarchy can easily be ‘debunked;' but watch the faces, mark the accents of the debunkers. These are the men whose tap-root in Eden has been cut: whom no rumour of the polyphony, the dance, can reach - men to whom pebbles laid in a row are more beautiful than an arch. Yet even if they desire equality, they cannot reach it. Where men are forbidden to honour a king they honour millionaires, athletes or film-stars instead: even famous prostitutes or gangsters. For spiritual nature, like bodily nature, will be served; deny it food and it will gobble poison.' C.S. Lewis God save Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, etc.! Vive le Très haut, très puissant et très excellent Prince, Louis XX, Par la grâce de Dieu, Roi de France et de Navarre, Roi Très-chrétien!
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And now for a personal reflection on this matter. When my wife left me 12 years ago, I entered into an adulterous union (which led me to Canada, so it did have an upside) being fully aware of the Church's Teachings on the matter. As long as that union persisted, I went to Mass regularly but never went to Confession or Holy Communion. Why should I? I had, at the time, no intention of ending the union, and to make a good Confession requires a firm purpose to avoid sin and the occasion of sin in the future. I could not, in good conscience, approach the Sacrament of Penance. And to receive Holy Communion in a state of mortal sin is a further sin in itself.

My 'in-laws' could not understand why I wouldn't receive the Sacraments, and in the interests of family peace, I never tried to explain.

When the union ended (not my doing, to my shame!), I immediately went to Confession and Holy Communion, and my health permitting, have continued to do so. Now, after twelve years of not speaking to one another, my wife and I are making tentative moves toward a reconciliation!



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'Monarchy can easily be ‘debunked;' but watch the faces, mark the accents of the debunkers. These are the men whose tap-root in Eden has been cut: whom no rumour of the polyphony, the dance, can reach - men to whom pebbles laid in a row are more beautiful than an arch. Yet even if they desire equality, they cannot reach it. Where men are forbidden to honour a king they honour millionaires, athletes or film-stars instead: even famous prostitutes or gangsters. For spiritual nature, like bodily nature, will be served; deny it food and it will gobble poison.' C.S. Lewis God save Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, etc.! Vive le Très haut, très puissant et très excellent Prince, Louis XX, Par la grâce de Dieu, Roi de France et de Navarre, Roi Très-chrétien!
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I just don't understand Francis. AL is a mess. Its meaning seems up in the air, and the Pope seems resolutely unwilling to clarify that meaning, even after the very sensible and polite request from the four cardinals.
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I just don't understand Francis. AL is a mess. Its meaning seems up in the air, and the Pope seems resolutely unwilling to clarify that meaning, even after the very sensible and polite request from the four cardinals.


But he said that Christoph Cardinal Graf von Schönborn's heretical explanation was correct. Of course, His Eminence had been in the forefront of those wanting to change the doctrine and admit adulterers to the Sacraments.

 


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'Monarchy can easily be ‘debunked;' but watch the faces, mark the accents of the debunkers. These are the men whose tap-root in Eden has been cut: whom no rumour of the polyphony, the dance, can reach - men to whom pebbles laid in a row are more beautiful than an arch. Yet even if they desire equality, they cannot reach it. Where men are forbidden to honour a king they honour millionaires, athletes or film-stars instead: even famous prostitutes or gangsters. For spiritual nature, like bodily nature, will be served; deny it food and it will gobble poison.' C.S. Lewis God save Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, etc.! Vive le Très haut, très puissant et très excellent Prince, Louis XX, Par la grâce de Dieu, Roi de France et de Navarre, Roi Très-chrétien!
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"Who am I to judge?' I am sickened! Every time this anti-Catholic communist opens his mouth I move one more step  towards sedevacantism!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4259164/Pope-quietly-trims-sanctions-sex-abusers-seeking-mercy.html

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'Monarchy can easily be ‘debunked;' but watch the faces, mark the accents of the debunkers. These are the men whose tap-root in Eden has been cut: whom no rumour of the polyphony, the dance, can reach - men to whom pebbles laid in a row are more beautiful than an arch. Yet even if they desire equality, they cannot reach it. Where men are forbidden to honour a king they honour millionaires, athletes or film-stars instead: even famous prostitutes or gangsters. For spiritual nature, like bodily nature, will be served; deny it food and it will gobble poison.' C.S. Lewis God save Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, etc.! Vive le Très haut, très puissant et très excellent Prince, Louis XX, Par la grâce de Dieu, Roi de France et de Navarre, Roi Très-chrétien!
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