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It'd certainly be interesting, however unlikely, to have a non-European pope elected. 


Actually, it's not unlikely that a non-European Pope might be elected. Canadians, Africans and Indians from the subcontinent come to mind, but it won't be a Yank.

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According to the Liber Pontificalis, already there were three African popes, all Berbers in North Africa:

Victor (?-189 / 199), it was the 14th Pope of the Roman Catholic Church.
Miltiades (?-311 / 314), he was the 32nd Pope.
Gelasius I. (? - 492 / 496), he was the 49th Pope.


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Does anyone know the distribution of the Popes by 'nation' or 'country' (although these terms are sometimes anachronistic) since the origins of the Papacy?
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1. Italians
2. Daylight
3. Others

That was actually just a guess, but turned out a pretty fair one.
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An increasingly divided, corrupt, and ungovernable Roman Curia is being touted as the cause of Pope Benedict XVI's resignation.  It will be a challenge for his successor to tackle.

http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-feuds-fiefdoms-betrayals-await-next-pope-134418432.html

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Vatican-sex-and-graft-scandals-pushed-pope-to-resi-30200519.html

http://mg.co.za/article/2013-02-15-00-cardinals-scramble-to-fill-popes-mitre/

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I liked the sound of this person, mentioned in the third link, until I came to his stupid and ignorant pronouncement on evolution. Memo to His Eminence: not only is there not overwhelming evidence of design in biology, there is no evidence of design in biology. Unless the Designer was drunk, incompetent or both. However, in all other respects he sounds tolerable. And it would be nice to have a Pope of aristocratic, in fact mediatised lineage.
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I'm not a fan since I seem to recall reading he insisted on making some sort of disclaimer regarding the singing of the Kaiserhymne at Archduke Otto's funeral (which he celebrated) in 2011.

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It'd certainly be interesting, however unlikely, to have a non-European pope elected. 


Actually, it's not unlikely that a non-European Pope might be elected. Canadians, Africans and Indians from the subcontinent come to mind, but it won't be a Yank.


Jovan, is correct, in fact only one of the three favorites is an Italian. The others are from Canada and Ghana, with the Ghanaian being by now the big favorite. (That's Peter Turkson, btw.)
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I'm not a fan since I seem to recall reading he insisted on making some sort of disclaimer regarding the singing of the Kaiserhymne at Archduke Otto's funeral (which he celebrated) in 2011.


OK, that's bad. I should really stop trying to think any of them will be any better than the others. Whoever we get will be awful, and that's just the way of things in a self-perpetuating clique such as this.

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More substantially, I fear that in today's climate a pope from an aristocratic background would bend over backwards to distance himself from that and appear as egalitarian and progressive as possible.  Which is of course not what I want.

It's interesting that your pessimism mirrors that of the hardline traditionalists for whom no existing Cardinal would be acceptable, if for rather different reasons.

 

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It's interesting that your pessimism mirrors that of the hardline traditionalists for whom no existing Cardinal would be acceptable, if for rather different reasons.



I'm about as hardline a traditionalist as you can find and I would be very happy if Leo, Cardinal Burke were elected. However, as I've pointed out, the odds on an American being elected are so long as to be infitesimal.


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I would not be surprised if a Latin American is elected. Are any mentioned among the Papabile?
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More manuvering within the Vatican as the papacy of Benedict XVI draws to a close.

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-moves-top-official-amid-leaks-fallout-132205871.html

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Pope Benedict XVI gave his final Angelus blessing from the window of his apartments in the Apostolic Palace yesterday.  The crowds filled and overflowed St. Peter's square.  Although I'm not a Roman Catholic, I was moved by the video, and I'm sad to see him go. 

Rumors of a deeper scandal causing the Pope to resign in dismay are continuing to swirl although the Vatican has denied this in strong terms.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/24/world/europe/vatican-pope-blessing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


His Holiness also changed the laws allowing for an earlier conclave to elect his successor.  At the same time, he also accepted the resignation of Britain's only cardinal elector under a cloud of misconduct.


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/pope-changes-church-law-allows-cardinals-start-conclave-120524744.html

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Pope Benedict XVI has ruled that the report on the Vatileaks probe will only be seen by two people.  Himself, and his successor.  Speculation continues to swirl as to the exact contents of the probe, and whether dismay over the report is what caused the Pope to abdicate.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/25/17087052-pope-says-vatileaks-probe-will-stay-secret-adding-intrigue-to-final-days?lite

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"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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