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I mostly concur with Theodore here. Benedict XVI has been an improvement on the flawed if not entirely indefensible John Paul II. The challenges his successor will face come not from merely outside the Church, but from within the Church too. It is difficult to fault the Church for its role in opposing Communist tyranny (especially but not exclusively in Poland), its rallying of people in East Timor against Indonesian occupation, its admirably consistent opposition to Apartheid in South Africa (completely forgotten today). On the other hand, the Church has often proven too compromising and too tolerant in other circumstances. Worst of all, the penetration of radical leftism into the Church in Latin America has done profound harm to the church, especially in Brazil.

Furthermore, I think Catholics need to learn invaluable lessons from certain recently successful movements if you want to revive the faith and its influence among the people. Education, advocacy, dare I say a fight against the Wrong Ideas in our church, something Catholics must be vigilant about. I know it may not be the best analogy but a valid one.
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http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Gambling_sites_favor_Cardinals_Marc_Ouellet,_Peter_Turkson,_Francis_Arinze_as_next_Pope

And the bets are already being taken on the name and identity of the next Pope! Canadian Cardinal Marc Ouellet, Ghanaian Cardinal Peter Turkson, and Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze all have the best odds to being elected pope in the next conclave, which is expected to be held in March. Also, the name of the next Pope is expected to be Peter, according to betting site Paddy Power, with Pius, John Paul, and John, following in the good odds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_of_Pope_Benedict_XVI

Wikipedia immediately created an article on the papal resignation, and it has already been nominated for deletion too, which is hilarious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_conclave,_2013

There is also an article on the papal conclave for this year, and already the officiators names are known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_papabili_in_the_2013_papal_conclave

There is also a list at Wikipedia of papabili for the upcoming papal conclave, though as noted, the best  odds are on only three Cardinals. The list of papabili continues to expand, by the way.
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. Also, the name of the next Pope is expected to be Peter...


I seriously doubt it and even more seriously, hope and pray it is not. No Pope in history has been so puffed up by the sin of pride as to take the name of the first Pope and every prophecy points to Peter II being the last Pope before the End.

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The Pope's brother Rev. Georg Ratzinger has provided some insight into Benedict XVI's mind set about recent event that affected him.  He particularly mentioned the butler scandal and the situation surrounding his relationship with the Society of Pius X which had troubled the pope.  The pope believed that a younger and stronger man than he was needed to steer the church through such events  it was also revealed that Benedict XVI has had a pacemaker for several years now, and that the battery was recently replaced in secret.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/12/16936793-popes-brother-pontiff-was-troubled-by-butlers-revelations?lite

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A monastery within Vatican City is being prepared to house Benedict XVI after his retirement. 

http://www.cbs8.com/story/21135173/retiring-pope-benedict-xvi-in-uncharted-territory

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. Also, the name of the next Pope is expected to be Peter...


I seriously doubt it and even more seriously, hope and pray it is not. No Pope in history has been so puffed up by the sin of pride as to take the name of the first Pope and every prophecy points to Peter II being the last Pope before the End.


Cardinal-Archbishop of Milan Angelo Scola is now also considered a highly likely candidate.

And as for Jovan's concerns, there isn't really a rule forbidding a Pope Peter II, and the Malachian prophecy I think Jovan is referencing may be inaccurate, given that the reference to Pope Peter II isn't in the same rhyme scheme (or however you call it) as the rest of the prophecy, at least from what I've read.

What papal name would Jovan prefer? I'd like to see some unique name like Urban, Clement, or Innocent, just because they sound cool. Also, if Peter Cardinal Turkson is elected, I doubt he will be called Pope Peter II, since the last Pope to reign under their own name was in the 16th century. I think it was Pope Marcellus II, am I correct, Jovan? Also, would Jovan prefer to see the Canadian Cardinal Marc Ouellet elected?
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. Also, the name of the next Pope is expected to be Peter...


I seriously doubt it and even more seriously, hope and pray it is not. No Pope in history has been so puffed up by the sin of pride as to take the name of the first Pope and every prophecy points to Peter II being the last Pope before the End.


Cardinal-Archbishop of Milan Angelo Scola is now also considered a highly likely candidate.

And as for Jovan's concerns, there isn't really a rule forbidding a Pope Peter II, and the Malachian prophecy I think Jovan is referencing may be inaccurate, given that the reference to Pope Peter II isn't in the same rhyme scheme (or however you call it) as the rest of the prophecy, at least from what I've read.

What papal name would Jovan prefer? I'd like to see some unique name like Urban, Clement, or Innocent, just because they sound cool. Also, if Peter Cardinal Turkson is elected, I doubt he will be called Pope Peter II, since the last Pope to reign under their own name was in the 16th century. I think it was Pope Marcellus II, am I correct, Jovan? Also, would Jovan prefer to see the Canadian Cardinal Marc Ouellet elected?


You're right, there is no rule prohibiting a Peter II, but as I pointed out, prophecy aside, no man has ever been so full of pride that he would take the name, so I highly doubt that the next Pope will be Peter II. My personal preference would be Pius XIII, since two of my favourite Popes are Blessed Pius IX, who issued the Syllabus of Errors, and Pius X, who issued the Syllabus against Modernism. And you are, indeed, correct regarding Pope Marcellus II being the last Pope to chose his baptismal name as his regnal name.

While I would be happy to see His Eminence Marc, Cardinal Ouellet elected, my first choice is His Eminence Raymond, Cardinal Burke, former Archbishop of St Louis and currently the Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura (in effect, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the Roman Catholic Church). However, I highly doubt that the Conclave will elect an American. 




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Factionalism has always existed in the Church, but it at least seems starker today because of Vatican II. The traditionalist camp will always put a new pope on notice - I seem to recall that traditionalists were initially optimistic about John Paul II, for about 5 minutes. They had greater reason to be optimistic about Benedict XVI.
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Although I am not exactly the Papacy's number one cheerleader, I would be greatly please by a Canadian pope.
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And you don't think the liberals and modernists will? Hah!

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(T)he next conclave, which is expected to be held in March.


There is no 'expected' about it. By law it must begin between 15 March and 20 March.

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 The traditionalist camp will always put a new pope on notice...


And you don't think the liberals and modernists will? Hah!


Exactly! I maintain that Cultural Marxism by its insidiousness remains the most dangerous enemy of our faith, more so than non-Catholic faiths are or ever will be, but perhaps even worse that so many of its precepts have penetrated the church, that too many "Catholics" are spineless to stand up against it.

We need to learn from certain currently successful religious movements if we are to revive our faith. Faith and zeal must be balanced with patience and persistence and, above all, a willingness to work even against the grind and against the odds.
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Boston Archbishop, Cardinal O'Malley, is being increasingly mentioned among the "papabile". 

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/20/17031704-bostons-sandal-wearing-cardinal-omalley-getting-papal-buzz?lite

While Benedict XVI may make changes to the rules governing the length of the sede vacante and the rules of the conclave which will elect his successor.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/pope-may-change-conclave-rules-before-leaving-vatican-5347188?ref=rss

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Boston Archbishop, Cardinal O'Malley, is being increasingly mentioned among the "papabile". 

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/20/17031704-bostons-sandal-wearing-cardinal-omalley-getting-papal-buzz?lite


He will not be elected for the simple reason that he is an American.

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It'd certainly be interesting, however unlikely, to have a non-European pope elected. 
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