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Ethiomonarchist

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His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI has announced that he will abdicate on February 28 due to infirmity and old age. He is the first Pope to do so in close to six centuries.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/world/europe/pope-benedict-resignation/index.html?c=homepage-t

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My view of Benedict XVI's pontificate is far from favourable. Nevertheless, I wish him a recovery in health and a lengthy and contented retirement.
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The pope has appeared increasingly frail in recent years. His Papacy has also been increasingly focused on scandals and controversies (child abusing clergy, thieving papal butlers, etc) and a decline of influence in Europe and the west. It's enough to wear out a far younger and healthier man.


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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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I like that he has revived the use of Latin in the Church.
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No one even makes a comment at my post on this. :/
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I saw this one first. And besides, even the very mild (believe me, it was) expression of my feelings above would have been unnecessarily offensive on your thread. You weren't being slighted, in fact that's what I didn't want to do.
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No one even makes a comment at my post on this. :/


Honestly I didn't see yours until after I had posted mine, or I would have commented there rather than create a new post.  As the Pope is a sovereign monarch of an independent state, this news should be posted here and not in the "off topic" section.  I automatically went to the Europe section and didn't see it so I posted the news.  I like the photograph that you posted.

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I like that he has revived the use of Latin in the Church.


I like the fact that he announced his abdication in Latin as well.  His papacy has been marked with a return to tradition as far as liturgical practices which is a vast improvement in the eyes of this Orthodox christian...

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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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I admire Pope Benedict XVI about as much as an Anglican can and am stunned and saddened by the news of the resignation of the most musically and culturally sensitive Roman Pontiff we are likely to see in our time. The fact that he has been less popular than his predecessor is an indictment of the world, not of him. It should not be necessary to agree with him on every issue, which neither liberals nor traditionalists do, to appreciate his intellect, his gentleness, and his refreshing (after four decades of apparent Roman tone-deafness) love of Mozart and the artistic patrimony of the Church. Pray that the mildly encouraging liturgical gestures of this pontificate will not be abandoned in the next.
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Earlier, I read an article which said of Benedict XVI "..he spoke in paragraphs, not in sound bites.." to explain why he never achieved the ardent following of John Paul II.  I also admire the Roman Pontiff as much as a member of my church can.  He struck me as a real intellectual, a thinking man's pope, and a man of principle.  I am sorry to see him go.
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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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I just hope his successor is a more humane man, one who realises the harm caused by the Church's attitudes of hatred and intolerance and, in contrast to the present Pope, works to undo rather than reinforce them. Of course, the precedents are not encouraging. To Pope Benedict's comfort, whatever else his successor does he is unlikely to confine him in a cell too small for him to even lie down in, then when he obstinately refuses to die have him violently murdered, which is what happened with the last Pope who abdicated not for political reasons, but because he no longer felt himself fit for the task.
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To Pope Benedict's comfort, whatever else his successor does he is unlikely to confine him in a cell too small for him to even lie down in, then when he obstinately refuses to die have him violently murdered, which is what happened with the last Pope who abdicated not for political reasons, but because he no longer felt himself fit for the task.


The Roman Papacy does have quite a colorful history.

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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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Hmm...according to CNN calling this an "abdication" is not correct.  Any opinions here?

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/11/will-benedict-resign-or-abdicate-as-pope/?hpt=hp_t2

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Ethiopia stretches her hands unto God (Quote from Psalm 68 which served as the Imperial Motto of the Ethiopian Empire)

"God and history shall remember your judgment." (Quote from Emperor Haile Selassie I's speech to the League of Nations to plead for assistance against the Italian Invasion, 1936.)
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With all due respect Peter I think you are blinded by your disagreement with the Pope on primarily one issue, just as, ironically, single-issue conservatives (which Benedict XVI is not) can also seem blinded.  I don't see how anyone could see this gentle Mozart-loving academic as insufficiently "humane" or his Church's teachings (whether one agrees with them or not, and obviously as an Episcopalian who having other priorities prefers to avoid that one issue I cannot be accused of being in full agreement) as motivated by "hatred."  The Pope is not a dictator who can simply change everything on a whim in order to "move with the times" even if he wanted to.  In fact I would say there has been far too much such "Moving" already, which is why I consider Paul VI the worst pope in the history of the Church.  If I were going to criticize the Roman Catholic Church I would complain about the poor quality of music in all too many RC parishes, Vatican II and the abandonment of the Latin Mass and ceremonial traditions surrounding the Papacy, the drift away from Altar and Throne royalism beginning with Leo XIII and the Ralliement, the modern Papacy's cult of personality (JPII) and uncritical embrace of the United Nations and modern ideas of "Democracy," "Equality," and "Human Rights," failure to address the legitimate concerns of European Christians dismayed by the effects of Muslim immigration, and (I suspect we're in agreement here) failure to unequivocally condemn the IRA (which claimed to represent Catholic interests) during the Troubles.  All of those problems predate the current pontificate by some time, and Benedict XVI has moved in the right direction regarding a few of them.

I suppose I am the sort of Christian vulnerable to attack from both sides: from conservatives because I care more about liturgy and cultural patrimony than upholding a hard line on sexual morality, but also from liberals because I also care more about liturgy and cultural patrimony than "Social Justice" or "Inclusion."  But whatever my own flaws I regard Pope Benedict with respect and affection.

 

By the way, for what it's worth, of the Facebook Friends who have "Liked" my positive posts about Pope Benedict today, at least two are openly gay. And a Catholic FB Friend who in his capacity as the Democratic mayor of a U.S. city fully supports same-sex marriage (but is also, somewhat improbably for one in his position, a staunch supporter of the restoration of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies) has been similarly respectful.

 

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Not too many gentle people get a nickname like 'God's rotweiler'. There is I think no music more sublime than Mozart's. Unfortunately liking Mozart as a credential for humane feeling lost credibility after concentration camp commandants relaxed to his works after a fulfilling day murdering Jews (or, on occasion, gays, gypsies and communists, but Jews mainly). No, the Pope can't change everything on a whim. He could though refrain from making one of the earliest acts of his pontificates barring even chaste homosexuals from the priesthood, and restrain the American branch of his Church from its ceaseless campaigning against gay rights, often successful as we saw in Maine and with Proposition 8. He could seriously examine his conscience, the Scriptural evidence and his understanding of the harm the Church causes and do something to moderate it. He did not, did not, and has not, And, I don't doubt, in the remaining days of his pontificate will not. I am in favour of liturgical conservatism and musical appreciation, and I do of course recognise Benedict XVI as a man of exceptional intellect and scholarship. He is still a harmful enemy of me and my kind, and we did nothing ever to him to cause that. I hope the next Pope will not be.
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I seem to recall that the word "rottweiler" has also been applied as a nickname to the very different personage of HRH the Duchess of Cornwall, a woman I like and respect (and who is probably closer to your views than to Pope Benedict's).  Those who bestowed it on either her or the then-Cardinal Ratzinger are not the sort whose opinions carry a lot of weight with me.

As for the American RCC opposing same-sex marriage, as it would have done under any conceivable pope, I think it is known that I am not a fan of American Conservative Political Catholicism (TM).   But there are gay people, in no way self-hating, who oppose same-sex marriage.  (I know a few.  One is a young British right-wing monarchist.)  Are they "harmful enemies" of themselves? 

 

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